My question is, why on earth did Dustin nerf the *number* of roaches. This is ZERG. They're supposed to have numerical superiority.
They should've just nerfed zerg health or something.
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My question is, why on earth did Dustin nerf the *number* of roaches. This is ZERG. They're supposed to have numerical superiority.
They should've just nerfed zerg health or something.
That makes zero sense. Making a unit smaller makes it useless? Damn I wish ultralisks were the size of zerglings... that sure would nerf them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Codean386
Speaking of which, why aren't they smaller? Prediction - smaller ultralisks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammy
I like the Roach nerf, it avoids massing a bit. Though I'd also like to see a change in it so it's not quite as swarming as it is currently (and probably after the patch aswell). Something like an HP-increase and damage reduction, maybe in form of attack speed increase, keeping the DPS stable, but worse vs units with armor upgrades or inate armor. It doesn't have to be so totally hard countered by Immortals.
Edit: Also merged the two "Patch 12"-threads and renamed the topic slightly.
Wow... Thors lost 2/3 of their size. Talk about massive shrinkage.
You mean lost 1/3
Note to Mods: This should be in a completely new ThreadQuote:
Originally Posted by Rigby
Bingo. The solution should be to make Roaches weaker but cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wankey
Um...Zerg are supposed to mass and swarm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dauntless
My question is: is Blizzard trying to convince Zerg players to switch races? Not only are Zerg less interesting, but Blizzard consistently nerfs the more interesting parts of the race. The one really useful new unit the Zerg have keeps getting nerfed, without significant buffs to other ones or new units being introduced.
The Zerg may still be fine balance wise after these weekly patches cease, but I highly doubt they'll be nearly as interesting as the other races.
Nope. 2/3. Area is pi-r-squared:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wankey
Size lost = (1.375*1.375-.8125*.8125)*pi = 1.230*pi
Relative size lost = 1.230/(1.375*1.375) = 0.650
Cute and cudly thors! Tiny Thors = /love =DQuote:
Originally Posted by mr. peasant
I don't get the Roach Nerf either... if they made it to cost 100 minerals or so, it is already a pretty balanced unit. 2 supply instead of 1 is pretty huge nerf.
Now that we will have less Roaches, and with Marauders/Immortals completely destroying them, I don't see reason for making Roaches at all.
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I agree with roach ownage, however they should get some of there old nerfs back if not all of them
why don't they shirnk the thor down to WoW pet size? that'll drive the WoW subscriber interest in sc up! They can have the pet in 2 games!! /sarcasm
Anyone else getting Tracker not responding?
I think it's really important to read the situation report as it relates to Roaches. The reason that they nerfed it was because 200 Roaches was unstoppable.
The question is just how big of a difference will it mean to the early game? We need to put things into perspective here. You can still build a lot of roaches. You just have to make extra overlords first.
The way things were before you had to have 1400 minerals to make 16 roaches. That's 75*16 roaches + 100*2 overlords. Now it requires 1600 minerals to make 16 roaches. It's not nearly as big of a nerf as some are making it out to be.
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That size is fine by me, an overall okay patch I think, a bit small perhaps, but oh well you can't get it allQuote:
Originally Posted by Dauntless
anyone???Quote:
Originally Posted by protoswarrior
EDIT: This is what it looks like...
I think the main thing it effects was the 6 roach rush. With the change you can at best hope for 3 roaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWD
I figured it out...
Patch 15 notes:
Thor unit name changed to Goliath.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/st..._SC2_Rend1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by TWD
Golliath ONLİNE !!!!
I think it would be cool if Vortex could cancel out all spells (psi storm, fungal growth, nuke, etc). That would be a cool trick for saving your units as well as trapping the opponents. If not, that should be another ability at least. Why just force fields, did it look stupid? Not sure why this change was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRabidDeer
NO! THOR IS HERE!!!111!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by scorpio19
I actually thought of you and our upcoming 1v1 tournament when I saw this :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk
Yeah, early game it isn't that big deal, but when you look late game, if you want to make just Roaches(just an example), you army is now 50% smaller... in late game that nerf is pretty huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWD
It's still doable but makes the expo a tad late, and one roach falling behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRabidDeer
What I like about this is zerglings can be out more in this very time frame, which is by far very small.
In ZvZ, a roach heavy guy will not have much drones or another queen in place, and the longer he sticks to it, the more muta-ling can come against him.
I'm never gonna beat you man.Quote:
Re: Patch 12 notes
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Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk View Post
I'm in trouble.
I actually thought of you and our upcoming 1v1 tournament when I saw this
Ive never seen somebody go for 200 units of the same type. Also, 200 supply of any unit must be hell to anyboyd. WTF with that explanation????? Bring only 50 supply of air units and bye bye your 200 roaches.
Are they going to test 200 units of everything?????
Agreed a mass of void rays melts anything and everything way worse than an army of roaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur
Exactly something I lol'd about.Quote:
Originally Posted by KadajSouba
They should have mentioned something more solid than this.
Yeah, if you wanted to build 200 roaches...but who really does that? Who builds even 100 roaches for that matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by RamiZ
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@Gna: You beat me all the time :D Plus, if I roll Zerg, you get instawin :D
It's not necessarily about making 200 roaches. I realize that the upper limit is rarely reached, but I think it's mostly about balancing unit compositions. All things being equal, max supply of 200 is more balanced now I think.
Is the same as saying that building 200 supply worth of Ultralisks, is unstopabble, nerf them. Double their supply counter.
The Thor is now the Goliath but it can never really be the Goliath..
Should have kept a real iconic unit.. I hate the Thor :D
Did you just say that 200 Roaches was unstoppable force, and then you said who builds 200 Roaches? Contradicting yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWD
Well, mass upgraded Roaches was scary actually, even if you went for 50 Roaches, that was pretty strong army and took up only 50 supply. Now, that army will take 100 supply, 50 Supply on Workers and what will you make for last 50 Supply? Not much indeed.
Predicting Patch 13:
Roaches are now melee units, their speed is reduced and their gas cost doubled. This should balance them for good! AWESOME!
Ah, does that means that if I beat SaZun I'll play tychus in the gold vs plat finals in a BO5? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk
Actually, this is pretty good idea: so many potential improvements with just one change. At least it’s a really good suggestion for the editor/mod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krikkitone
If they are gonna nerf roaches to 2 supply then they need to nerf marauders!!
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammy