Re: [Idea] Poll: Void Ray Replaces Carrier
Melee Interceptors would have nullified Dark Swarm, which was still in the game, adding to the game's important counter system.
And at any time they could have simply given the Tempest full shields and just had it take 1/2 damage from GtA attacks.
It was a perfectly sound idea, needlessly murdered by nostalgia.
Re: [Idea] Poll: Void Ray Replaces Carrier
1) There is no more Dark Swarm, so it's a moot point
2) You can overcome Dark Swarm in more sane, logical ways than silly knife missiles.
And giving it a repurposed Immortal shield isn't exactly the same as new, smart and interesting abilities.
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Lupino
1) There is no more Dark Swarm, so it's a moot point
Its not moot. Its just not as useful.
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Lupino
2) You can overcome Dark Swarm in more sane, logical ways than silly knife missiles.
Seeing as Protoss are still using melee fighters when they can crack open planets from orbit, I wouldn't put it past them to use Psi Blade technology to its full extent.
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Lupino
And giving it a repurposed Immortal shield isn't exactly the same as new, smart and interesting abilities.
Something new used twice is better than nothing new used never.
Re: [Idea] Poll: Void Ray Replaces Carrier
I think the tempest overlapped with the carrier because it did the same thing. I really think that protoss need a new capital ship other than a ship that shoots out lots of fighters. Wait a second, isn't that what the zerg are based on, weak and numbers. The carrier should be in zerg's hands, not in an advanced race's that can create shields, open up planets, and use energy weapons. The protoss should have a dark templar air unit capital ship instead of a carrier. The carrier is almost like the brood lord. As it does almost the same thing, but with less money.
The carrier should be replaced by a protoss version of the battlecruiser that uses energy beams instead of guns.
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Cotcan
I think the tempest overlapped with the carrier because it did the same thing. I really think that protoss need a new capital ship other than a ship that shoots out lots of fighters. Wait a second, isn't that what the zerg are based on, weak and numbers. The carrier should be in zerg's hands, not in an advanced race's that can create shields, open up planets, and use energy weapons. The protoss should have a dark templar air unit capital ship instead of a carrier. The carrier is almost like the brood lord. As it does almost the same thing, but with less money.
The carrier should be replaced by a protoss version of the battlecruiser that uses energy beams instead of guns.
OF COURSE the Tempest overlapped with the Carrier, that's why they were able to bring back the Carrier so easily. At no point were the Tempest and Carrier in the game at the same time, the Tempest replaced the Carrier.
And I'm pretty sure I stated in my original post on page one that the Carrier seemed more like a Zerg mechanic and always had, so way-to-go repeating that needlessly.
I mean this in the nicest way possible... yeah right. But you're really not too bright are you?
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Cotcan
The carrier should be replaced by a protoss version of the battlecruiser that uses energy beams instead of guns.
Or missiles (I've long held the opinion that they should have replaced the Carrier with a unit that employs the MShip's AtG missiles).
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DemolitionSquid
Its not moot. Its just not as useful.
No, it is moot, because the ability that this mechanic is meant to counter doesn't exist anymore, and even then splash damage would still be a superior method. There literally is no other gameplay reason for silly knife missiles.
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Seeing as Protoss are still using melee fighters when they can crack open planets from orbit, I wouldn't put it past them to use Psi Blade technology to its full extent.
As much as the Protoss military-industrial complex is horribly anachronistic in the way it fights wars, I've always like to think that the Navy tended to get the smarter characters. After all, compare the units between each branch:
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EXECUTOR: So what new weapon have you developed for our warriors today?
KHALAI SCIENTIST: You're going to love this, we have this new gun-
EXECUTOR: Unacceptable! There is little honor in that. Next!
KHALAI SCIENTIST: Well....uhm...we'd developed some new psi-blades, you strap them to your arm like so, then you run up to your opponent and stab them in the face. We didn't think it was very practical-
EXECUTOR: Perfect! Many warriors will give their lives to Aiur fighting this way. Begin production immediately!
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PRAETOR: So what new ship have you developed for us today?
KHALAI SCIENTIST: Well, we call it a Carrier. The crew sits safely outside the battlefield and launches cheap, robotic fighters armed with pulse cannons at the enemy. It also has an onboard factory to replace any destroyed Interceptors, and if the Carrier is threatened it can retreat and fight another day.
PRAETOR: Perfect, begin production immediately.
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Something new used twice is better than nothing new used never.
Good idea > no idea > bad idea. It's a universal truth, so don't bother arguing :D
Re: [Idea] Poll: Void Ray Replaces Carrier
Just cause you say its a bad idea doesn't make it one.
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Whereas D-Squid says its a good idea and it is thus so...
Some things (and posters) never change...
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Drake Clawfang
Whereas D-Squid says its a good idea and it is thus so...
Some things (and posters) never change...
Just like how SC2 is now SC:BW in 3D. No changes at all. So sad.
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DemolitionSquid
And I'm pretty sure I stated in my original post on page one that the Carrier seemed more like a Zerg mechanic and always had, so way-to-go repeating that needlessly.
I mean this in the nicest way possible... yeah right. But you're really not too bright are you?
Yes, I know you said it, but the thread is so long, I feel like restating it. It also says I agree with nuking the carrier.
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DemolitionSquid
Just like how SC2 is now SC:BW in 3D. No changes at all. So sad.
Well I think this explains why the carrier is still here.