What Will Raynor Do?

20 bucks says:

Heart of the Swarm will be a prequel of the sorts to Wings of Liberty -- I can feel it.

The Zeratul vs Kerrigan scene is somewhere at mission 22 or something in Kerrigan's journey in Heart of the Swarm.

Raynor's Plot will be torn between giving kerrigan the artifacts or not, and Zeratul will be suspected of having been infested like the Matriarch. Raynor won't trust both of them and discover that Tychus has been misled by Mengks and is unknowingly working for him.

Since Tychus and Raynor were at odds regarding the Artifacts, Tychus while everyone's so tense sells the Artifacts to his contractor -- which he doesn't know is Mengks.

Matt saves the day by pulling Raynor (again) out from Char, while holding the dominion's forces at bay.

The Hyperion kabooms, and Raynor is given shelter by Artanis' DTs.

TLDR:
1. The Hyperion gets into some major battle with Mengks' forces. Outcome unknown. Raynor escapes.
2. Raynor feels betrayed by Tychus. Mengks gets only some portion of the Artifacts. Tychus is in hiding due to Mengks' agents looking for him.
3. The Engineer guy, Matt, and Everyone else is MIA.
4. Zeratul's reliability is placed in question. Goes missing after the incident.
5. Artanis shelter's Raynor from the other protoss chasing after him. Raynor is the only guy who might know where Tychus could be hiding.
6. Kerrigan is divided, but strongly in her arrogance believe she can stop the arrival.
7. We are hinted that the Protoss are divided on the matter of the arrival. Some hope for it, some resist it. Some just doesn't see the true value of the Artifacts. We can't tell for sure who's right about the main issue.

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Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk

20 bucks says:

Heart of the Swarm will be a prequel of the sorts to Wings of Liberty -- I can feel it.

The Zeratul vs Kerrigan scene is somewhere at mission 22 or something in Kerrigan's journey in Heart of the Swarm.

Raynor's Plot will be torn between giving kerrigan the artifacts or not, and Zeratul will be suspected of having been infested like the Matriarch. Raynor won't trust both of them and discover that Tychus has been misled by Mengks and is unknowingly working for him.

Since Tychus and Raynor were at odds regarding the Artifacts, Tychus while everyone's so tense sells the Artifacts to his contractor -- which he doesn't know is Mengks.

Matt saves the day by pulling Raynor (again) out from Char, while holding the dominion's forces at bay.

The Hyperion kabooms, and Raynor is given shelter by Artanis' DTs.

TLDR:
1. The Hyperion gets into some major battle with Mengks' forces. Outcome unknown. Raynor escapes.
2. Raynor feels betrayed by Tychus. Mengks gets only some portion of the Artifacts. Tychus is in hiding due to Mengks' agents looking for him.
3. The Engineer guy, Matt, and Everyone else is MIA.
4. Zeratul's reliability is placed in question. Goes missing after the incident.
5. Artanis shelter's Raynor from the other protoss chasing after him. Raynor is the only guy who might know where Tychus could be hiding.
6. Kerrigan is divided, but strongly in her arrogance believe she can stop the arrival.
7. We are hinted that the Protoss are divided on the matter of the arrival. Some hope for it, some resist it. Some just doesn't see the true value of the Artifacts. We can't tell for sure who's right about the main issue.

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If I were to take that bet, you'd be owing me $20. It's been stated already that the three parts of the trilogy will all be in chronological order. When Wings of Liberty ends, is when the Heart of the Swarm begins.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

If Zamara were on that crystal, that would mean that Ulrezaj would also be there. I doubt he would leave something that dangerous to Raynor.

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It's a memory crystal from Zeratul, it's not the one that contains Zamara and Ulrezaj. That crystal was left to the Protoss on Elhna (ref: DT: Twilight). Zeratul's crystal is what opens up the Zeratul mission, which is a flashback at what happened to Zeratul at the Xel'Naga temple.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

If Zamara were on that crystal, that would mean that Ulrezaj would also be there. I doubt he would leave something that dangerous to Raynor.

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That's a hologram of a crystal, so maybe Raynor has to retrieve the crystal.

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Originally Posted by mr. peasant

as that would just leave Raynor with an inoperable tumour and a repeat of the whole Ramsey Affair all over again.

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Zamara was inside Ramseys brain, not in the crystal. The crystal had nothing to do with the tumors.

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Originally Posted by Visions of Khas

It does seem as though Zeratul's character has been reworked a little since BroodWar. Where as he was once a lone consummate warrior, he has become much more cryptic and enigmatic, pushing the whole prophet thing. Not that I mind too much, I just hope they don't make him too cryptic and mystic.

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He's cryptic due to the fact that he killed his matriarch. It's all described pretty well in Twilight.

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Originally Posted by Artanis186

Zamara was inside Ramseys brain, not in the crystal. The crystal had nothing to do with the tumors.

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No, but Zeratul used the crystal to transfer visions direct into Raynor's head. If Zamara was transferred along as well, Raynor would develop the tumors just like Ramsey.

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Originally Posted by Artanis186

Zamara was inside Ramseys brain, not in the crystal. The crystal had nothing to do with the tumors.

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Near the end of Twilight, Zamara was put in a crystal (though probably not this one).

I don't have time to fact check, but I thought all Zeratul handed Raynor was this. It wasn't a crystal itself, it held Zeratul's memory's and apparently had a hologram of a crystal. That crystal might have Zamara in it, but Raynor hasn't come in contact with it yet, and if he does he doesn't necessarily have to absorb Zamara like Ramsey did, the dark Templar store their memories in those crystals, so they must have some way of accessing them.

Yeah, that was the crystal, Roland.

I thought it was listed under Xel'Naga artifacts, but it looks like Dark Templar technology.

If it's based on Khaydarin crystals it could be "chameleon" technology, so it looks like it belongs to whoever got to it first, like the Uraj and Khalis become Dark and High templar artifacts respectively.

You've made the presumption that Raynor is the master of Kerrigans fate, however, Heart of the Swarm is surely going to revolve around Kerrigan. Raynor being the first expansion is going to have limited control of what he can do in the series unless we are reunited with him in the Protoss campaign as an ally and/or in a mini campaign.

Kerrigan is always manipulative and I think she's going to be directing things whether we're aware of it or not until it's too late.

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Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk

20 bucks says:

Heart of the Swarm will be a prequel of sorts to Wings of Liberty -- I can feel it.

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A previous poster confirmed that these will, in fact, be in chronological order, but that doesn't remove the possibility of flash back missions within the main story line. I especially see this in the case of Kerrigan and the Zerg campaign.

I said straight up shoot her, although maybe not "shoot" her - but inadvertently killing her at least.

Sparing her doesn't make sense to me, he basically promised to kill her in BW, and it would be DUMB to fall for her tricks AGAIN.

There's also the uninfest scenario, which if they do that, will probably lead to her dying soon after in my book. Either way I don't know if she'll be alive or at least kicking by LotV. I expect the main focus (or one of them) to be the Hybrids at LotV. Thats just me though, I'd like to see Blizzard throw a curve ball.

you guys are forgetting the bro equation. Kerrigan killed Raynor's Bro.

She's a walking corpse, literally and figuratively. Raynor will kill her.

Do I am the only one, that is under one hell of a weird impression about this topic...

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Originally Posted by hyde

She's a walking corpse, literally and figuratively.

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Originally Posted by hyde

Raynor will kill her.

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Jonny

I said straight up shoot her, although maybe not "shoot" her - but inadvertently killing her at least.

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Jonny

Sparing her doesn't make sense to me,

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Jonny

There's also the uninfest scenario, which if they do that, will probably lead to her dying soon after in my book.

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Originally Posted by RotherIm

I don't think Blizzard will kill Raynor...

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Originally Posted by RotherIm

I think Raynor will hunt Kerrigan and finally kill her...

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Originally Posted by n00bonicPlague

No matter how it goes, though, I'm certain that Kerrigan will ultimately die, most likely by Raynor's hands.

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Originally Posted by Perfecttear

A great plot would also be if Kerrigan and Raynor died together.

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Originally Posted by Perfecttear

In the end he can't change her or stop her , but as a final act of forgiveness and guilt , he sacrifices himself in atemp to kill her.

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Originally Posted by //MavericK\\

I do hope that Raynor is forced into a situation where he has to sacrifice himself

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Originally Posted by //MavericK\\

He, above all others, deserves a true Hero's Death.

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Ok, first, to tell that someone deserve to die, and want him to die, even if it's in the game... Well, let's just say that's not my style. :p
But the last one, is the best! :eek:

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Originally Posted by //MavericK\\

He, above all others, deserves a true Hero's Death.

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To say that someone deserve a death, because he did some heroic and good deeds. Man, I wouldn't want to be your friend, you know? xD
And by the way, "He, above all others"... You're quite the killer :D

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Originally Posted by meleander

To say that someone deserve a death, because he did some heroic and good deeds. Man, I wouldn't want to be your friend, you know? xD
And by the way, "He, above all others"... You're quite the killer :D

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"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

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Originally Posted by meleander

To say that someone deserve a death, because he did some heroic and good deeds. Man, I wouldn't want to be your friend, you know? xD
And by the way, "He, above all others"... You're quite the killer :D

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Well, for someone who has seen as much suffering in life as Raynor has, death might be a welcome reprieve. Moreover, everyone dies eventually. A heroic death means he doesn't get gutted in some alley or once he's down on his knees begging for mercy. In other words, a noble death.

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Originally Posted by mr. peasant

Well, for someone who has seen as much suffering in life as Raynor has, death might be a welcome reprieve. Moreover, everyone dies eventually. A heroic death means he doesn't get gutted in some alley or once he's down on his knees begging for mercy. In other words, a noble death.

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Like dying in bed from being old, and having your children with their children around you?
If that also count to him as noble death, then I agree :)

If not, well, I don't agree and he's a killer :p



ps.: about that eventually, the later, the better.


Come on! Don't you see how funny it is?
It's like we have here a bunch of psychopaths :D:p

Maybe Kerrigan will capture Raynor and make him an infested marine? Yeeah.

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Originally Posted by meleander

Do I am the only one, that is under one hell of a weird impression about this topic...

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The love of Raynor's life, Kerrigan, is most likely going to die at the end this story. So if she dies, what does the man have...really. I know he said that he wanted to kill her himself...but I think a part of him still hopes to save her, instead.

If she's dead, then a hero's death is much more fitting for Raynor then going off into the sunset by himself, don't you think?

And what's wrong with characters being killed off. Worked great for Hamlet and Spock and Obi wan Kenobi.

Raynor has narrowly escaped death how many times over the course of this franchise? He's used up all nine lives. His number is up. He's one of the best scifi characters of all time. I want him to die...but I want him to save the galaxy while doing it.

I'm not morbid or anything...I just like to see stories take risks, and one way is to kill off important characters.

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Originally Posted by mr. peasant

Well, for someone who has seen as much suffering in life as Raynor has, death might be a welcome reprieve. Moreover, everyone dies eventually. A heroic death means he doesn't get gutted in some alley or once he's down on his knees begging for mercy. In other words, a noble death.

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Word.

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

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Like dying in bed from being old, and having your children with their children around you?
If that also count to him as noble death, then I agree

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Raynors probably like 40 years old now, his wife is dead, his son is dead and hes been a terrorist leader (or freedom fighter, depends on who you ask) for the past Six years. How likely does this outcome sound to you.

Also I think another reason why fans collectively want everyone to die is it gives US closure. We've been starcraft fanboys for upwards to twelve+ years now, and when you've been with a story that long, you want definitive closure. Nothing gives more closure then death. Them dieing in some cacophony of glory means they get immortalized in our minds forever in story.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Maybe Kerrigan will capture Raynor and make him an infested marine? Yeeah.

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That would suck. Raynor is like the only Terran with morality and some power at the same time.

he will kill her

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

That would suck. Raynor is like the only Terran with morality and some power at the same time.

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Yeah and then Raynor as an infested Marine, he breaks though the zerg hold. He then runs towards Kerrigan and explodes ending the story with them both dead. Totally cheesy ending. Totally Activision Blizzard. :D

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Yeah and then Raynor as an infested Marine, he breaks though the zerg hold. He then runs towards Kerrigan and explodes ending the story with them both dead. Totally cheesy ending. Totally Activision Blizzard. :D

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I see, but Zerg units aren't supposed to be capable of turning against it's master.

I think what you are going to find is that Raynor at some point is going to be forced to side with Kerrigan and her swarms. He's going to do this because something much worse is going to invade the Koprulu sector. And Kerrigan is the only one who will be able to stop it.

I have a feeling that's how they will end WOL...Raynor siding with Kerrigan. And I don't think she will infest him and what's left of his crew. It will be a mutual pact.

We've seen hints of this in the extended cut-scene between Raynor and Zeratul.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

I see, but Zerg units aren't supposed to be capable of turning against it's master.

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exactly, but Raynor can because he such a good morale human. He is so strong willed that for a split second he can take control and kills himself and kerrigan! Like a real Activision ending! :P

EDIT: RAYNOR WILL NOT FORM A PACT WITH KERRIGAN! He did that before or did you all forget? If Raynor saw her again he would just shoot her in the brain. Come on! Raynor isn't that dumb to ally himself for Kerrigan.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

EDIT: RAYNOR WILL NOT FORM A PACT WITH KERRIGAN! He did that before or did you all forget? If Raynor saw her again he would just shoot her in the brain. Come on! Raynor isn't that dumb to ally himself for Kerrigan.

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He may not have a choice. Watch the video...



If she's his only chance at saving the galaxy...I don't think he's going to off her, at least not until she does what ever she has to do. Hence, a pact.

Probably she won't have a choice, either. After all, if the hybrids are there to kill everything else, that includes the Zerg.

And Raynor doesn't need to side with her, really. According to Zeratul, the only thing he needs to do is spare her life, instead of killing her.

Maybe she needs to do something to keep control of the swarm, but this stops the destruction somehow. For example: the "voice in the void" could be naturally apt to take control of the swarm, and Duran is maybe trying to set it loose.

God damn after watching that cinematic...I can see it now


End of the three trilogies - Final Cinematic

Mission was to reconfigure the Xel Naga machine to prevent a wipe of all protoss/zerg species in the Koprulu sector.
Something goes terribly wrong, counter-attack by the Xel Naga antagonist and his/her/it's forces.

Zeratul with the dark templar forces, Artanis with the remaining unified Protoss Fleet, Kerrigan with the rogue Zerg Brood
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Xel Naga task force + their hybrids + stolen zerg brood with their own makeshift/hybrid xel naga overmind latched with cybernetic infusions to have complete control, etc...

Jim Raynor is the only non Zerg/Protoss, so he is the only one that can enter the perimeter of the Xel Naga machine, so he alone must shut it down.
Last good byes with Kerrigan, Artanis, Zerataul...etc...Kerrigan bawls her eyes out and says she wish it didn't have to end like this to Jimmy...

Game play resumes, you must fend off the attack for 15-30 minutes? During the last 10 minutes or so, typical pure onslaught occurs and you are getting seriously overrun. At around 5 minutes (Which is the real end timer) the mission ends and you're victorious, Jim Raynor is on the giant spiral tower of the machine hiking to the top, and he encounters the Xel Naga leader...
Typical lectures about how a monkey has no business in dealing with the greater nauances of the universe...blah blah...

Cinematics flash back and forth between Raynor and the joint forces...
Kerrigan probably gets mortally wounded or just gets frigging owned?
For some reason I see Zeratul dying, Artanis living, etc..
Raynor beats the Xel Naga leader in a melee or sacrifices himself ultimately to destroy the machine...

And like the World Tree Cinematic in WC3 - we get a generally resolved closure. But wait..Activision wants to milk this...so it has to open the way to StarCraft 3 and Universe of StarCraft MMORPG. Because by the time Legacy of the void comes out, it will be AT LEAST 2013, most likely 2014-2016. Blizzard's next gen MMO will already be out, WoW will have died down, either Universe of Starcraft or World of WarCraft 2 will be in the pipeline.

I like what Blackdog has written about a possible end for WoL and for Raynor, in this thread:http://sclegacy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2894&page=8

It's really because I can't see Raynor playing any major role in HotS or LotV.

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Originally Posted by BusinessMonkey

I like what Blackdog has written about a possible end for WoL and for Raynor, in this thread:http://sclegacy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2894&page=8

It's really because I can't see Raynor playing any major role in HotS or LotV.

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I don't like it. It sounds like James Raynor gets suddenly cast off from AAA+ Hero to B+ support character.
Sort of like how Arthas just backstabs Mauradin (The dwarf guy) in the WC3 Original Campaign, when he first gets Frost Mourne.

It just would not make sense for Blizzard to suddenly hype up and work so much around Jimmy, he was a B+ character at most in StarCraft1. SC1 was mainly about Kerrigan, Zerataul, Tassadar, and well...face it... DuGalle/Stukov had more impact/face time than Jimmy.
All he did was sit back, cry about how his Bro got owned by Kerrigan and swore vengeance.

But now he's in a powered marine combat suit on the cover of StarCraft 1 ?
If anything, he will be canned in the last of the trilogies in a much more heroic death. Being unable to execute Kerrigan and then getting his head decapitated by her Wing is uhh... a bit too cliche I think...even if he escapes it alive.
Plus there is already a Protoss Mini Campaign in WoL, who says there can't be parts in Legacy of the Void where Artanis,etc meet back up with Raynor?

Well I chose number 4 cause it is the most fittling in the series.

Why do you guys want Raynor to die? I mean yes he has a score to settle with Kerrigan for what she had done in Brood War but still... I doubt Jimmy will die soon he's role in SC 2 will be big and very important.

the Zerg Campaign, The Heart of the Swarm will be probably mainly focused on Kerrigan and this is might be where she finds out the Hybrids and the Xel'Naga. Same might be happening to the Wings of Liberty with Raynor.

and the Legacy of the Void would be the one that would sum up together with Zeratul to defeat the Hybrids.

Hopefully Jimmy can somehow find a way to deinfest Kerrigan, and restore her humanity.

Raynor wont die. Arcturus probably would.