Do we know how strong Protoss are, physically?

I was just thinking, we know psi blades can cut through many materials like warm butter. But do we know the actual strength of Protoss warriors?
Now, with something like a psi blade I doubt you need very much physical strength to use. Zealots are agile and quick, and good fighters to boot, sure. However, I see nothing to suggest that they're actually strong. Their physique is thin, lanky, no muscles. Now, we could just speculate that they are strong by channeling their psi or whatever else we can imagine, but logically speaking we've no evidence thus far to suggest that they actually need to be physically strong. They're tall though so they may have mass to support themselves but really, we see Zeratul jumping around all sorts of places when he fights so I figure he can't really be too heavy.

I'm willing to bet a marine in his CMC armour could (if given the chance without being cut to shreds) overpower a Zealot and crush him in a bear hug. Similarly, I'm willing to bet Ghosts are stronger than Zealots physically (in their 'muscle-fiber' suits - which require psi channeling to use, which just further suggests that you can't directly enhance your own strength using psi alone, it has to be channeled through a medium).

Just some speculation that I thought was interesting. Any thoughts?

Protoss are strong. They are almost 10 ft. tall if the 3 meter figure is to be believed, and even if they're lanky they're still more muscular than a human. Protoss were also physically stronger than all of the races that the Xel'Naga encountered. That's alot. And there's no proof that their power suits don't further augment their strength. Tassadar and Zeratul can fight faster than the eye can keep up with, according to Queen of Blades. Tassadar punched Zeratul, and Raynor felt the wind from it all the way up a cliff. With this kind of power I'd bet they could overtake a Marine suit.

They can also take some damage. In SC: Revelations a Zealot was hit so hard that he flew across the room and punched a hole through a paristeel wall. He got up later.

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I'm willing to bet Ghosts are stronger than Zealots physically (in their 'muscle-fiber' suits - which require psi channeling to use, which just further suggests that you can't directly enhance your own strength using psi alone, it has to be channeled through a medium).

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Where does it say that the ghost suit has to be channeled in to?

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Where does it say that the ghost suit has to be channeled in to?

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The wiki.

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Ghosts channeled their psionic energies through their hostile environment suit, a specialized skinsuit laced with psi-sensitive artificial muscle fiber, to augment their physical capabilities.[8]

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Also, being physically tall isn't a guarantee of strength. Neither is 'feeling the wind from a punch.' In fact, that's more of an indication of speed than it is of strength. Also, fighting faster than the eye can keep up with is another indication of speed. Big people like Tychus Findlay tend to be slow, and low of stamina (but thanks to the CMC that's a moot point). This is actually a fact of real life, and if anything it just proves that the Protoss are less muscular/bulky with how fast they can move. You can see the same is true for Ghosts, they're slim and their armour is streamlined but it gives them strength because of the muscle fibers.

Regarding the same with Protoss armour, I highly doubt it. We have no evidence to suggest it does (as you similarly asked me evidence to suggest that psi is channeled into the Ghost suit) and it's not a full body covering attire. How then, does it boost strength? Simply wearing a bracelet doesn't boost your strength does it? We see that the CMC boosts strengths because it's practically a suit, functional by the servos and Ghosts also use a full body suit. Zealots on the other hand wear pieces of armour similar to how a knight in the medieval age would put his armour on. In pieces, we can even see this when Khastiana is fitted in her battle gear by other Protoss.

Now, as to the Zealot who was hit so hard that he flew across the room and punches a hole through a paristeel wall (by the way there is a HUGE contradiction in the lore, if a Thor couldn't bust through a paristeel wall in the Jacobs installation, how the hell did a Zealot fly through one?) I'm betting that's more of the armour's job than it is his actual physique. Ever heard of the bear armour? I believe it was in an off topic thread somewhere.

Protoss muscles don't have to be like our muscles. For instance, if they didn't bunch up much then large muscles wouldn't show in the same way that humans do. Also, their muscle tissue could just be stronger volume for volume.

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

Also, being physically tall isn't a guarantee of strength. Neither is 'feeling the wind from a punch.' In fact, that's more of an indication of speed than it is of strength. Also, fighting faster than the eye can keep up with is another indication of speed. Big people like Tychus Findlay tend to be slow, and low of stamina (but thanks to the CMC that's a moot point). This is actually a fact of real life, and if anything it just proves that the Protoss are less muscular/bulky with how fast they can move.

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Likewise, pure strength does not mean that you'll be able to hit hard. A punch is a chain of energy that starts from the feet and travels all the way up, and its power depends on many factors like endurance, strength, timing and how many motor units are committed. There comes a point where your strength depends mostly on how fast your muscles can contract and more bulk will weaken your punches. So even if a Marine can crush a Zealot in a bear-hug, the Zealot can punch through the Marine's visor/helmet.

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

You can see the same is true for Ghosts, they're slim and their armour is streamlined but it gives them strength because of the muscle fibers.

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So it gives them speed and strength while Zealots according to you are not allowed to have strength as well? If Ghosts can punch through walls and leap huge distances, which is an obvious indicator of strength, then Protoss should be able to do it even better.

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Regarding the same with Protoss armour, I highly doubt it. We have no evidence to suggest it does (as you similarly asked me evidence to suggest that psi is channeled into the Ghost suit) and it's not a full body covering attire.

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Yes we do:

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The power suits worn by Zealots enhance and channel their already formidable Psionic abilities

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Source: http://classic.battle.net/scc/protos....shtml?rhtml=y

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Simply wearing a bracelet doesn't boost your strength does it?

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In the SC universe it does, since Zealots use the crystal to improve their psionic powers which they can use to increase speed/strength.

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Now, as to the Zealot who was hit so hard that he flew across the room and punches a hole through a paristeel wall (by the way there is a HUGE contradiction in the lore, if a Thor couldn't bust through a paristeel wall in the Jacobs installation, how the hell did a Zealot fly through one?) I'm betting that's more of the armour's job than it is his actual physique. Ever heard of the bear armour? I believe it was in an off topic thread somewhere.

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Wasn't the wall the Thor was trying to break like a meter thick or something? There's no contradiction. Hydralisks can hit hard as hell, and the Zealot flew across the entire room.

I can't comment much. The only direct reference to the suits augmenting protoss abilities are with the leg enhancements, which could do a number of different things. Also understand that the Protoss are the strongest of any organisms known by the Xel'Naga, so it's more than likely they'd outperform any average human in any competitive sport.

So long as we're talking about physical limits, let me direct you to this nifty website of human physical limits and endurance. Might make for a good read and provide fodder for discussion.

Okay, well I didn't know that the Toss were the strongest race that the Xel'Naga had found and from that point alone I concede my entire argument.

But really, that could have a wide range of meanings. They were the strongest race that the Xel'Naga found, that were also intelligent probably. Because I'm pretty sure a Bear could easily pound a Zealot to the ground if he didn't have his armour or psi blades.

Well, we cant know that untill offical Blizzard lore-masters releases "SC facts: non-armored Zealot vs Bear." article/book/video. But speculating, Zealot with his superior figthing skills and intelligence, it wouldn't even be a match... dodge the bear, strike it to the back. Simple. In terms of pure strength, dunno.

But yea, just because they're not muscular doesn't mean there's no strength, as they're completly alien lifeform, their bodies are completly differend from humans.

Although I'm into SC's lore, I'm not a huge buff. I do believe that in the Dark Templar saga, they made mention of the Protoss' strength, though. They had a tribal hunter-gatherer society way back in the day, and I'm pretty sure that they're more than capable of ripping a human apart with their bare hands :p.

If you want to apply excessive logic to it, here goes. Aiur is a huge planet, therefore it has stronger gravitational pull on everything on it. You might have to be several times stronger to lift the same amount object while on it's surface. Any life evolved on it would have to be significantly stronger than life evolved on a planet around the size of Earth, just to achieve the same physical aptitude. When taking into consideration their speed, then the Protoss would have to be very strong to move that fast while under such a strong gravitation pull. Take them off-planet and they're that much stronger and faster inversely proportional to the strength of the new gravity on them.

Obviously in gameplay this doesn't apply, Zergling can run along just as easily on Aiur in practice, but it's a though.

Protoss can pick up Hydralisks and Marines with ease from Revelation.

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Originally Posted by Roland

If you want to apply excessive logic to it, here goes. Aiur is a huge planet, therefore it has stronger gravitational pull on everything on it. You might have to be several times stronger to lift the same amount object while on it's surface. Any life evolved on it would have to be significantly stronger than life evolved on a planet around the size of Earth, just to achieve the same physical aptitude. When taking into consideration their speed, then the Protoss would have to be very strong to move that fast while under such a strong gravitation pull. Take them off-planet and they're that much stronger and faster inversely proportional to the strength of the new gravity on them.

Obviously in gameplay this doesn't apply, Zergling can run along just as easily on Aiur in practice, but it's a though.

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And how do you know exacly how big Aiur is? Earth comparing it to Mar sara and Char is at least 20-30% larger(according to the Wiki),And i really doubt that gravity will be several times stronger-The Super 'Earths' that are discovered are gigantic, and only have 1.9g compared to 1g on Earth...

If the Protoss were just like larger humans, they would barely be able to move, if at all. Bigger creatures have wider and shorter legs to better support their weight. It has to do with the fact that weight is proportional to volume, and strenght is proportional to the muscle cross-sectional area.

If a creature like the Protoss would exist, their strenght couldn't be compared with ours just by looking at the similarities, as their strenght to weight ratio should be very high for them to move with such a swiftness, and with such slim arms and legs. They're either very light, or very strong.

Are protoss stronger then humans? In a word: Yes.

It's been pointed out already, but the manual actually says they're not only strong compared to humans, but a lot of different races: “Their strength and speed were unparalleled amongst the other races known to the Xel’Naga.” It's also possible the suits they wear further enhance this strength, though I'm unaware of any direct indication of this.

The real question is how much stronger are the protoss when compared to humans? I've seen very little that would point out specifics, but one trait the protoss seem to demonstrate almost non-stop is their ability to leap really high. Doing that requires the leg muscles to not only be strong, but also very fast. So we can at the very least determine that protoss have a lot "explosive strength" in their legs. And logically the rest of their musculature should follow suit.

There's also this little bit, from Revelations: "At last, the warrior extinguished the blade and pulled it out of the creature. Though it was mortally wounded, the creature continued to thrash and hiss as it towered weakly above the Protoss. Taking hold of the creature’s splintered rib cage with both hands, the warrior gave a great heave and lifted its massive girth from the ground. Madrid marveled at the warrior’s strength as it flung the dragon-creature over his shoulder. The heavy body hit the floor with a wet smack and lay still."

Lifting a hydralisk might sound like a simple thing to do, but when you realize just how big they are, and how mass tend to start increasing quite rapidly once you get to those sizes, you quickly realize that what happened there is something a human could never match. Take for instance the world’s largest crocodile (they're at least somewhat similar in build, given the tail and whatnot), it was about six meters long, making it about as long as a hydralisk (if you factor in the tail). It's perhaps not quite as wide, given that the hydralisk has a pretty pronounced upper body, so this weight can be considered a minimum. Well, the crocodile I just mentioned weighed over 1,100kg. That means the zealot lifted more then a metric ton over his head.

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Originally Posted by l33telboi

. Well, the crocodile I just mentioned weighed over 1,100kg. That means the zealot lifted more then a metric ton over his head.

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Well according to the cinematic in the Vertigo Hydras aren't that large,AND being 5.5m in legth doesn't automaticly mean its over 1 ton in weight wtF?

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Originally Posted by arthas

Well according to the cinematic in the Vertigo Hydras aren't that large,

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They do seem to be roughly that large. They stand much taller then marines and protoss zealots, and then you still need to add the tail that slithers behind them to their full length. Granted their size varies somewhat from source to source, but not by that much.

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AND being 5.5m in legth doesn't automaticly mean its over 1 ton in weight wtF?

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Sure it does. Unless we were to assume that the Hydras were much lighter then earth based critters for some reason. But they shouldn't be considering they're composed of muscles, water, flesh and bone.

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

Okay, well I didn't know that the Toss were the strongest race that the Xel'Naga had found and from that point alone I concede my entire argument.

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I mentioned that in the first post. :p

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Originally Posted by l33telboi

It's also possible the suits they wear further enhance this strength, though I'm unaware of any direct indication of this.

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Cybernetic grafts & leg enhancements would definitely have to help out. I wonder what exactly the cybernetic grafts do though.

Think about it this way: have you ever seen a fat Protoss?

Interesting stuff guys. Although, I never directly compared Zealots to humans' physical strengths. I compared it to humans with their enhancements (CMC armour, Ghost suits).

All you have to do is check their hitpoints.

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All you have to do is check their hitpoints.

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It's a sad day indeed, then, when SCVs are more armoured than marines (in SC1).

I think the Queen of Blades novel mentioned something about how Raynor needed his marine suit just to keep up with the dark templar in normal running. With that, I'd estimate that a suited marine is roughly of the same strength of a "naked" (unsuited) protoss, but much more clumsy due to their size (so that they could never actually match a protoss in hand to hand combat).

lol, with the thought of Zealots throwing Hydralisks (which have 2000 muscles...) I can see Zealots ripping off tank hatches.

Didn't read the entire thread but Zeratul seemed pretty physically strong when he jammed his psi blade down the hydralisks throat and stabbed another hydra through the head with its own claw in the WoL cinematic.

The original StarCraft box put hydralisks at five meters. I have the box somewhere, but it also lists mass in kilograms, along with the protoss and marine. I wonder if anyone could find that, and if it would still be applicable to the units today?

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Originally Posted by Pando

Hydralisks (which have 2000 muscles...)

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Source?

The SC2 website.

http://img175.imageshack.us/i/96086675200.jpg/
hidralisk
mass 390 kg
height 2.5 m
lenght 5.4m

http://img205.imageshack.us/i/96086645600.jpg/
protoss
height 3 m
mass 210 kg
from wiki starcraft
The hydralisk has 4,000 muscles, compared to a terran's 629 > 7
7 oficial page StarCraft II-Hydralisk. Accessed on 2008-03-10
Since the Brood War hydralisks have evolved to be much larger>4
4.↑ 2008-10-11. Starcraft II: BlizzCon 08: Opening Cinematic Teaser (CAM). Gametrailers. Accessed 2008-10-11.(zeratul trailer)
Although only 350 kg, is much still to be lifted above his head. protoss are thin because is without fat and organs such as digestive system and lungs, is also possible configuration of your muscles is more efficient than the human and has a greater number of muscles than us

Oh yeah, 4000, my memory was foggy lol.

I think Kimera has a rival for resident walking wikipedia. o_o

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Originally Posted by drakolobo

http://img175.imageshack.us/i/96086675200.jpg/
hidralisk
mass 350 kg
height 2.5 m
lenght 5.4m

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350 kg? Guess they're made of styrofoam rather then flesh and bone then. :p

In that case it was more impressive when Tassadar carried a combat suit wearing Andre Madrid in his arms at the end of Revelations.

EDIT: That box says 390kg though, not 350kg.

So those numbers are probably obsolete. Hydralisks are much heavier and larger than that, as are marine powers armor.

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Originally Posted by Visions of Khas

Hydralisks are much heavier and larger than that, as are marine powers armor.

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Just because you say so ? Have seen one before you? 390kg is still VERY heavy

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Originally Posted by l33telboi

350 kg? Guess they're made of styrofoam rather then flesh and bone then. :p

In that case it was more impressive when Tassadar carried a combat suit wearing Andre Madrid in his arms at the end of Revelations.

EDIT: That box says 390kg though, not 350kg.

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I should check, instead of using my memory:D
a Hydralisk from starcraft 1 weighs like a horse of flesh and bone,Clearly a Hydralisk, after Broodwar , it is more large That a protoss based on the video intro Zeratul (although They Could be a hunter-killer), thinking That proportion is 3.5 m and weigh 546 kg would weigh 624kg considering 4 m
Where is chronologically Revelations?
I certainly think that a person with two hands could not throw anything more than 20-30 kg in this way, that would be indicative of the strength protoss
protoss can also use the psychic energy to increase their strength and speed as the ghost, without technology

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Just because you say so ? Have seen one before you? 390kg is still VERY heavy

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say "This is the way it is just because." I'm just less familiar with the metric system than I thought. But apparently 390 kilos comes out to about 860 pounds. My bad.