Terran vs Protoss , your builds

I would just like to discuss in this thread the TvP matchup. And your builds.:)


Me personaly i love playing vs protoss as a terran. I'm 45% TvT and 35% TvZ
but 100% TvP :)

My default build is mass marines, completely ignoring all other units. I found it supers super easy with them, every protoss that i've seen has went stalkers against me, and hight tech, thinking i would went marauders or something.
When you have a force of 30 stim marines, the protoss only has 3-6 stalkers and 6-12 zealots and maybe a sentry or two.
At start you just rush to research stim and combat shield, and that is that for your gas. Later you can research weapon and damage upgrades for infantry, if you have extra gas , but it dosn't make realy make difference.
You just go into his base and kill everything with focus fire and stim, it's not even hard , hardly a chanlenge even for me :p. I've defeated gold league protoss with ease, and i'm a sucky player. In the last game i lost 6 marines but killed 60 of his units, i alredy tokk pity on him he was so helpless.
Every time i do this the protoss player is in complete in shock and doesn't know how to respond, not that he has much time, to change tech or anything.:D

Anyone tried this?

I have to admit when I see someone massing rines I'll build charged lots and tech to immortals.

Grant you I don't know how long it takes to get that many marines vs building cols...

But the colosus turns marines into flaming mince meat in seconds, especially if there's a front row of lots to act as meat shields.

Gritten

The trick is ,i go for a very early gas, and the protoss scouts that i go early gas, the last thing he thinks are marines :p. Cut i need stim as soon as posible, when stim is reasearched you go out. The 30 marines was just an example , 15 are more than enough, to use focus fire to it's full. For every marine you will lose , the protoss player loses 4 zealots or 3 stalkers! And you will always outnumber his army 2-1 if not 3-1 with just building marines. If you rush this build it takes about the same time to build 15 marines as building 3 marauders, i love reactors :) This is a rush, the protoss doesn't even have charge or blink and he can only dream of colosuses :p

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This is a rush, the protoss doesn't even have charge or blink and he can only dream of colosuses

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Sentries with Guardian Shield are enough to shut this down. Imagine all your Marines doing 1/3rd less damage.

Sentries die in less than a half second, with focus fire :p
I just laugh at them when i see them, don't forget the guardian shield has a range of only 4, and stim marines are super fast, there is no way a protoss can protect the sentry from being killed, and also using the ability at the same time for his unit group ( if he even has enough energy that early to use that ability). And for every sentry he builds/wastes resources, you have about 4-6 marines more.


offtopic: Can EU and US players play together in custom games?

ya, most P players are surprised when they see marines compose the majority of your force. they're great for taking on immortals too. you just have to make sure you really capitalize on the initial push, or his colossi/HT will make your army obsolete very quickly.

Has anybody noticed that marines now atutomaticaly focus fire. If you select 10 marines and target 10 zealots, they won't atack a different zealot each. They all concentrate their firepower on one or 2 targets, and with stim it's an insta kill. :)

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Originally Posted by Perfecttear

Has anybody noticed that marines now atutomaticaly focus fire. If you select 10 marines and target 10 zealots, they won't attack a different zealot each. They all concentrate their firepower on one or 2 targets, and with stim it's an insta kill. :)

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That's not really new. Marines will always attack the Zealot closest to them by default. If the Zealots are reaching the marines, dispersing, and all the Marines are still focus firing on one at a time, then that's new, but I haven't seen it.

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Originally Posted by Perfecttear

offtopic: Can EU and US players play together in custom games?

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Nope :( Bad blizzard! Bad!

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Originally Posted by Perfecttear

Has anybody noticed that marines now atutomaticaly focus fire. If you select 10 marines and target 10 zealots, they won't atack a different zealot each. They all concentrate their firepower on one or 2 targets, and with stim it's an insta kill. :)

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That only applies for the first zealot to come into range. Afterwards they will each target the zealot which is the most immediate threat to them.

Going for quick ghosts helps too. EMP renders most shields useless like the immortals and even collosus fall to a well placed EMP and an M&M ball.

M&M&M. Optional start with fastgas+reapers, shifting into marauder/marine, get medivacs or ghosts. Switch reactor production medivacs quickly into reactor Vikings once they get large amounts of collosus.

I must be dead somewhere inside. Probably most unimaginative build ever.

Anybody know how to counter carriers fleets with void-ray/MS support as Terran? Just EMP + Vikings or something?

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Originally Posted by Gradius

Anybody know how to counter carriers fleets with void-ray/MS support as Terran? Just EMP + Vikings or something?

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Yeah. Its your best bet. Mix in some BC with yamatos if you want.

Though honestly, you probably lost anyway. I've yet to win/be beaten when mass carriers motherships and void rays are involved.

No offense, but I don't think you've played a decent Protoss yet....

I mean...Colossi. versus mass marines? Yeah, no chance.
Of all the Protoss you've played not one has just put a pylon in your base and rushed warp gates? Really?

Do you even know how long it takes to get a colossi or a HT with storm?

And i've actualy been pylon warp rushed three times alredy in my base, and i always won (it's not that hard to spot a probe going in a corner of your base), everytime i just ignored the pylon (so he thought i didn't see him) and i didn't destroy it, cuzz i actualy wanted him to warp units in. You just build defencive units (you are alredy rushing marines) and atack at the right time , and kill all his units that he alredy warped in and the pylon (it's a masacre for the P :p). And after that you have a huge advantage over him, any you can go straight to an counteratack, and kill him of with ease.

Emp'd colossi die prettty fast to separated marines. Storm on the other hand....

That said sometimes you army will just instantly die to protoss if you dont watch it. You need to be very carful about when you want to fight becsaue one storm and volley from there units and your entire army is melted...but its not much different for them

I don't know why everybody mentions colossi or storm, they are far too late , to help against an stim marine only rush.

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Originally Posted by Perfecttear

I don't know why everybody mentions colossi or storm, they are far too late , to help against an stim marine only rush.

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Its not really hard to defend that kinda attack o.0

Stim marines without shields are horrible

And i think your underestimating just how fast you can get colossi

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And i think your underestimating just how fast you can get colossi

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A few Sentries with Guaridan Shield are plenty to shut this down. Marines doing 1/3rd less damage aren't nearly as useful. And stimming them only makes it easier for your Zealots+Stalkers to finish them off.

Well then why don't you guys just put these theories to test and fact each other? Or you can't because perfecttear is in EU?

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Originally Posted by Perfecttear

Do you even know how long it takes to get a colossi or a HT with storm?

And i've actualy been pylon warp rushed three times alredy in my base, and i always won (it's not that hard to spot a probe going in a corner of your base), everytime i just ignored the pylon (so he thought i didn't see him) and i didn't destroy it, cuzz i actualy wanted him to warp units in. You just build defencive units (you are alredy rushing marines) and atack at the right time , and kill all his units that he alredy warped in and the pylon (it's a masacre for the P :p). And after that you have a huge advantage over him, any you can go straight to an counteratack, and kill him of with ease.

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Ok, well either you're the greatest SC2 phenom in history, or you're playing against crappy Protoss. All the top players, including the top Koreans in the beta can't stop the proxy warp gate rush.

Also, you say you "mass marines", then you change and say you" marine rush". Which is it? Are you on the US servers? I'd like to play you to see how easy this game really is for you.

As far as Colossi and HT "taking forever", are you really under the impression that Protoss can't stop a Marine only rush? I mean, Photon Cannons. Sentries with Force field, maybe even a couple Stalkers. It's not Rocket Science, and mass marines isn't as good as you think it is. Sorry, but it's true.

My theory is you are just playing complete rookies. What's your 1v1 league and rank?

Yep guardian shield with zealots will win,and does anybody heard of a thing called micro :? :) I actually get suprised when somebody looses a high priced units so easily to a bunch of cheap ones,i mean if you see his hydras go for your thors what prevents you from pulling the thor back and let the hydras get crushed while chasing?...That's the way to do it with the sentry,As you say you use stim well zealots attack fairly fast and will quickly slay your low hp marines while you try to take out the sentry which is constantly being pulled back and forth??? And even if you focus one of it do you really think it will be only one supporting the zealots? You try this do the second,third,etc and by the time you realise you are out of marines :)

Proxy 3 gate is not that good frankly lol

Specially after both patches - I will just wall in my base, and repair o.0 and then rip him apart when my push comes.

And theres not excuse for a pylon being made inside your base, your first marine should be killing that probe and then the pylon!

Now PvP on the other hand...... is kinda a joke atm haha



Note: Thats not to say that it cant win games, but its kinda hard to bust a terran with just zealots -- the immortal rush is much more deadly since immortals completely rip buildings apart, though I usally have 1-2 ghost by then ;d

to counter mass marines you use sentrys and colosses
just forcefield the ramp and colosses kill all beyond it

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

[B]Ok, well either you're the greatest SC2 phenom in history, or you're playing against crappy Protoss. All the top players, including the top Koreans in the beta can't stop the proxy warp gate rush.

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Proxy warp gate isn't viable anymore, and it was never super good against terran anyway, mainly used for PvP and PvZ. Its still effective against them.