Strategies to try

I was thinking about something that maybe could have good effect. If someone has another ideas, please post them here, maybe someone with a beta key can try them.

The idea is: in PvZ, speacially if the Z opened with Roaches, Hallucinate a lot of Zealots, while really building Stalkers (try to keep them somewhat hidden, but not that far from the Zerg base). When the Zerg player reacts with Roaches, or Mutalisks, send the Stalkers. Try to sneak a hallucinated Zealot inside the Z base, to get vision, and Blink all the Stalkers up there.

Could work vs a Terran player, if he builds Reapers to counter the Zealots.

Actually I have yet to see any Protoss player use hallucinate. If anyone has found a vid with someone using it, could you hook us up with a link?

Also, I know hallucinate can be used on any unit, but does this include only units you have the tech for? Like say you're going Dark Shrine and DT, but create a couple of hallucinated HTs (even though you don't have the tech) to throw your opponent off.

It'd be kinda wierd if you could just start hallucinating flyer units as soon as you get your first sentry, they'd make some pretty good early scouts.

Last time i heared about Hallucination, you can choose from several units to build on the Sentry's command panel on the lower-right. You don't need the tech to build them, nor target any unit to create them. Take a look here: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Hallucination . That was aeons ago, however.

Tactic to try with the recent changes to infestor:

burrowed-movment flanking with roach support against heavy backbone support units like ST & Colossus : if the enemy main force has some distance to its support units, grabb em by the balls from underground! imagine distracting a terran infantry force in range of ST's with a minor throw-away force, while unborrowing roaches to take out one out of three ST's + a couple of infestors to use Neural parasite on the other two tanks!

ideally, from the other side of the tanks relative to the enemy infantry force, so they are further away from it. tanks would then hammer the infantry (ideally you'd use other forces or fungal growth to hinder their movment out of ST range by "going the other way")

if they cant / choose not to quickly reinforce or escape, they can either go for the infestors in back (but get intercepted by roaches & pounded by ST's) or kill their own tanks before fighting on with roaches & distraction force + any reinforcments) ... ofcoruse, fungal growth on the infantery force from a third infestor can only help...

I fooled around with hallucinate a bit in a game against beginners (I double expanded with the intent to make nothing but HT, sentries and archons). Hallucinate was fairly useful when I made a bunch of zealots so that I could just storm everything without caring about losing units (since they were fake) but honestly very very consuming in energy (100E). I ended up losing though (I tried too hard to keep the archons to a bare minimum).
I can't really see this being used to provoque a tech switch from the opponent (but I would love to be proven wrong), but I could imagine a fake archon making a bunch of mutas fly back or something.
I was just fooling around with protoss anyways, so this isn't worth much though^^

I'd like to see how fast Protoss can max ground upgrades.

yah. its one of those things i thin, like they said in the blizzcast: a few weeks people will realzie that upgrades pwns and that protoss can get em sooner. and that will make it hard to balance chrono boost.

A nifty strat is to take air superiority away from a zerg by building mass pheonix to stop the mutas and overlord hunt then go hard ground and steam roll him once the pheonix harass has payed off. Did you know that pheonix get a damage bonus against hydras. so in small numbers pheonix own hydras. also feedbacking some medivacs before you storm the M&M should result in more kills. Medivacs are more than just medics. they are dropships too. and dropships greatly improve terran mobility. Using medivacs to put siege tanks on high ground is a good strategy. Mind-late game roaches can be used as a harass and a flanking unit. like burrowing under the M&M ball and coming up right under the supporting siege tanks. For zerg flanking and getting the surround is critical to repeated success.

if you use a corruptor to corrupt a pylon would it shut the pylon off?

I once saw a zerg player go melee with muta support. He went lings, Blings, infestors, ultra with muta support. he used fungal growth to stop units and let the banelings do their work. then he swarmed the survivors with lings and ultra while muta harassing. he also got the melee dmg and carapace upgrades.

Comment spam >.<

I would like to see DTs used in more than just rushing, ie walling chokes. Also would like to see Baneling/Roach drops. Since they're s'posed to be the new Lurkers, drops should be interesting.

I think the problem with DT's is the fact they require their own building. Unless you're intentionally doing a DT rush, you're putting a lot of time and resources into going for a unit that you might not use successfully just because your opponent makes a few detectors.

A couple detectors completely ruins the use of dark templar, and I think it's a bit stupid to branch tech just that one unit that doesn't have a specific purpose that can be covered by other units. Even High Templar are more useful for their ability, whereas the DT's damage can be covered by Immortals or Colossus dealing comparable damage against either light or armored units.

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Originally Posted by Triceron

I think the problem with DT's is the fact they require their own building. Unless you're intentionally doing a DT rush, you're putting a lot of time and resources into going for a unit that you might not use successfully just because your opponent makes a few detectors.

A couple detectors completely ruins the use of dark templar, and I think it's a bit stupid to branch tech just that one unit that doesn't have a specific purpose that can be covered by other units. Even High Templar are more useful for their ability, whereas the DT's damage can be covered by Immortals or Colossus dealing comparable damage against either light or armored units.

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I agree. Too difficult to get for a unit that is rendered useless with detection. They also aren't the most original unit in the world. A cloaked Zealot that deals a ton of damage per attack.

LMAO !!! Hallucinate ... hmmm god! lol!

Sorry just reminiscing how I went for Hallucinate in PvP and created a Colossus with my Zealot/Sentry/stalker/Immortal Army. I walked the Colossus hallucination in his mineral line and his immediate response was to pull all his probes away!!! He then proceeded to send half his army of stalkers to deal with the Colossus... lol

FEAR THE COLOSSUS!


I effectively stopped his mining while I busted through his front door and ended up winning the game :P

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Originally Posted by protoswarrior

LMAO !!! Hallucinate ... hmmm god! lol!

Sorry just reminiscing how I went for Hallucinate in PvP and created a Colossus with my Zealot/Sentry/stalker/Immortal Army. I walked the Colossus hallucination in his mineral line and his immediate response was to pull all his probes away!!! He then proceeded to send half his army of stalkers to deal with the Colossus... lol

FEAR THE COLOSSUS!


I effectively stopped his mining while I busted through his front door and ended up winning the game :P

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That was me you jerk.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

That was me you jerk.

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Uploading a replay of this match would be very cool.

@ protosswarrior: good strategy. I think that Hallucination can be really good early game. Can confuse the enemy, and act as meatshields that cost you only energy (well, and the research of course).

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

That was me you jerk.

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LOL!! You made me laugh, Demo! :D

Has anyone tried some kind of agressive use of spine crawlers?? Kinda like the bunker leap but with creep tumors?

I have tried in a vs Comp game but I had roaches to back the crawlers it takes them a while settle down and I'd think one needs a fair number of crawlers hey it's some thing to free up some population when you hit over 200 lol

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Originally Posted by Blasterion

I have tried in a vs Comp game but I had roaches to back the crawlers it takes them a while settle down and I'd think one needs a fair number of crawlers hey it's some thing to free up some population when you hit over 200 lol

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Well I wasn't thinking about it like using the crawlers as your only attack force, and I also doubt that you'll get supply maxed in most games, more like using them as some kind of wall-in-push or something like that. More like crawlers backing your units not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

That was me you jerk.

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Oh come on man!! I purposely didn't want to name you... lol

It could have easily been considered to be some random person on bnet; why did you have to take the fall?!


Also, you could've PM'd! You're my friend, that's why I was mum about names...

I don't really care, everyone knows I suck anyway. Just because you can design a game doesn't mean you can be the best at it. Fucking APM sink macro. I have a hard enough time keeping track of CB, I'll never be able to play Zerg and remember to SL on all my Hatcheries.

Bronze League Rank 20 represent!

Id also like to submit a strategy: mass Sentry against Zerg. Only Sentries.

if you left yourself even slgihtly more open for contrcutive comments: concrete hints on what area(s) are most worth working on, your apparent "dispair" over sucking might not be as bad.

idk where i got this, but somehow, its not losing that the makes one bad / stale, but the attitude towards losing. //end DS-pity-rant

all-sentry wouuld be fun to see. but it'd be hard to be ofesnive with;though they can keep roaches at bay using FF - before tehy get burrowed movment - i doubt they are cost effective at all vs crawlers.

So I tried an all Zealot and Sentry build on Sarov and it crushed her poor Roaches.

Then again shes pretty n00b. I was even set to 80% handicap because shes new and still won. Twice.

OOh! Nice!

I played a pvp where the guy went zealot sentry purely vs my regular Immortal/Zealot/Sentry/Stalker build, and man was I shown the power of sentries!

I mean, those lil suckers do A LOT of damage!! lol!!

Great idea Demosquid, I'm gonna try doing that next time I am online :D

Nice, we needed a thread like this one.

Has anyone in a competitive match tried using MULES for a quick mech repair? I could see this being useful in a situation where you forgot to bring some scvs with your heavy mech army, or the scvs died and you have a few near death Thors that need repair. You would probably only do this if you have lots of money though, so it probably wouldn't be used in uber professional games - like calldown supply.

iv been floored by all zealot sentry once, though i doubt it'll happen again.

if roach or even banes gets clsoe to you, your in trouble, cuz sentries are expensive n fragile and they n'or zealots deal good damge to roaches.. but i guess if lucky / careful / skilled, you can take a good position to deal daamge and "fortify" with FF. problem is, burrowed movment will kill you.

still i geuss, do it right and you can obtain an advantage before enemy gets burrowed movment to counter. but it wont be easy vs crawlers, which is an obvious option to buy time for any Z that feels threatened by this.

I have tried this against zergy's who go muta ling, and boy is this strong!!

The key is to defend your ramp vs the early 8 lings then just be very very aggressive and hunt expos while reinforcing with more sentries/zealots. The only catch to this is if the zerg just goes roaches fully after losing all mutas. THAT's why you still need to robo after and transition to Immortal/zealot/sentry if he roaches you.

I'm liking thsi build more and more!! :D

here is a replay btw :D

yeah, as implied in my last post, scouting and adapting is important in ZvP even early: i love to go muta/ling but unless my oponents go toach-preemptive early robo+immortal(s) it clearly pays off to mix in otehr units properly.

... assuming your capability to build immortals vs a roach.switch / mix is enough, i'd imagine you might get trouble vs hydras. especialy pre-charge.

I'd just like to say that I watched GRUNT (zoot.zoot) try my full-on Sentry only strat last night, and the number of Hallucinations made his opponent rage quit.

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