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"The Obelisk is no longer in the game. Instead, the time warp ability which allows a building to produce or research faster for a set duration is now on the Nexus. This opens up several new strategies and the development team is really looking forward to what players will be able to come up with utilizing this ability during beta. "
AHAHAHA I so called it.
As I said in the duplicate thread, nicol got his wish.
Oh and Demo I had this as an ability back when I wrote the Thesis. You wernt the first ;) I just decided since then that it was rather bland and unimaginative compared to say the MULE or Spawn Larva.
Pfffft, It was my idea in the first place!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=100833Back in August, DAMN IM AMAZING. You're full of lies archer!Quote:
My idea for the obelisk was to allow the shield regen to affect buildings in progress/speed up the construction of a new building. This would allow a player to sacrifice econ for faster tech.
Btw, what did demo call? Time warp or obelisk gone :s
My Thesis article was September 14 2008. Your post you linked to is August 29 2009. Nevertheless I dont really care if I was or wasnt the first. Just pointing out that demo wasnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcp181
That makes me sad :( Link please :x
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...topic_id=78657Quote:
Originally Posted by rcp181
I'm saying that I called Blizzard scrapping the Obelisk and trying out a build/research time increase ability. I'm not claiming to have invented the idea.
Thanks! That's huge though :p mind pointing out out? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur
Obelix removed? Just as I thought!
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Originally Posted by JosueObviously, fall into oblivion!Quote:
Originally Posted by Perfecttear
I don't think they'll keep it, I guess they'll use something new instead!
It's quite funny how it ended up: in the nexus, [...]
So now the Protoss have no energy or shield recharging ability.
Keeps getting better :(
Yeah, that's a shame. I rather miss the shield battery, even though it saw limited use in the game. What's worse is the fact that Protoss defenses have received no significant improvements whatsoever in SC2, while both of the other races have received several (increased bunkers, submerged depots, sensor tower, mobile crawlers).Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur
Whaaaaa? :OQuote:
Originally Posted by Blazur
Mothership + warp-in offers insane defensive mobility. There's no longer any such thing as an undefended protoss expansion.
(ok, maybe if it has no pylons)
So... a Nexus could use the ability on a Forge to research an upgrade faster?
I assume there is a range limitation? Would have to be sure to put the buildings you want to speed up near the Nexus? Would create advantages to having tech buildings at expansions so multiple Nexus time warps can be used at the same time?
Need more details!! :D
Dude, the Mothership is so late in the game that I hardly consider it a defense measure. Nor is that the case for any units for that matter. I'm referring specifically to static defenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcp181
I suppose warp-in could be considered a defensive measure in that you can instantly deploy troops to a beleaguered area.
I would much rather have a diminished need for static defense instead of better static defense. Not to mention static defense is inherently weaker due to new mobility from stalker/colossus/reaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blazur
In SC1 protoss are forced to sink money into cannons at almost every non-natural expansion because of mobility issues. Warp-in is a huge improvement on this.
Edit: Also I see no reason to get excited about the new sunken colony (it's mobility is extremely limited), and terran static defense (no more spider mines, bunkers require a supply investment).
Hey guess what. You can have both. You know like where you choose whether to invest time/resources in a mobile army or fortify certain positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcp181
Frankly I think SC2 has gone a little too "mobile crazy". Im hoping people will realize what this means to gameplay when Beta comes around.
True, true. I suppose with the added versatility of warp-in it almost obsoletes the use of cannon, if not for their innate detection. You can instantly deploy troops at any position being threatened, assuming you have enough resources and quick enough reaction time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcp181
I really see a lot of choice in this compared to proton charge.
build my forge or tech building at expo so they upgrade faster or keep them in main base safe. Just that, multiplied by the number of researching building protoss have add a lot of deepness. And maybe someone can invest in a nexus at the back of the base near upgrade building just to speed them up. 400min for a lot of speeded upgrade can be cost effective.
The way I see it, protoss are fine as is. It's cool that they are trying something new and different, but I think arguing about whether or not zerg are UP is a lot more interesting than arguing over the macro mechanics and the obelisk. I hope we can get a battle report or footage of zerg owning even though the guys at TL think spawn larva is OP. Chances are David Kim will get nerfed before blizzard shows him owning as Zerg!
Still, time warp sounds fun and its possible they will be able to implement it without much trouble since protoss are the most developed race in sc2.
You don't know that;) The obelisk doesn't have it anymore, but you know there is a good chance that a unit might received it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur
The Sentinel, maybe?
Well... not Argus Link, but the shield-boosting ability.
Truth is, a LOT of people had this idea (including me) not quite the way it ended up, but close. I'm happy they went this route in any event. I really think it will be a good fit for Protoss; lots of choice, potential for many different builds, and in my opinion, some potentially challenging macro stylings.
Even my version was lifted it from a very similar mechanic in 'Age of Mythology' - The 'Pharoh' unit on the Egyptian side was a 'one-only' unit (like the MS) which could 'empower' structures. 'Empower' a barracks and it would produce units and upgrades faster, 'empowered' buildings under construction would complete faster, arrow towers would do extra damage, resource gathering structures would recieve more of that particular resource, and the like.
As I recall, you weren't too keen my idea, Archer... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caliban113
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Company of Heroes was first.
You can't argue that Zerg as a whole are UP or OP the same way you can argue that PC is UP or OP. There's too many variables. PC compared to MULE and SL on paper is clear, its just math. But the Zerg play so differently from Terran and Protoss and have such different abilities that its a conversation better suited for a few years from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asfastasican
People wernt too keen about it when I was talking about it back in 08 :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Caliban113
I still have my reservations but im going to wait and try it out first.
Have you learned nothing? For gods sake man Blizzard said like last week that the macro mechanics dont need to be equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid
Did you even read what he said?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur
Sorry. Not allowed.Quote:
You can't argue...
Hmmm...The whole game is macro, really. How do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk
What demo is missingis that you cant argue ZvP is imba AND in the same way you cant argue that PC vs SL is imba.
Dsquid still wants to argue that PC is imbalanced cause its different. Hes missing the point that different does not equal imbalanced.
The guys are arguing who got what first. CoH axis has this officer that you can assign to speed up productions or research. No biggie. It can be balanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caliban113
I'm saying, this concept is nothing new. How it is applied though and how it will work with sc2 is another issue, and is very interesting.
This is natural, since we really don't have an idea of how everything works now in concert with each other. All we have is the data which had the PC as a factor to consider. I suspect Time warp was not just patched in. I see it being integrated and it's up to beta testing to see how far we can push it to topple everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur
delete me.
Oh, I see what you mean - thought you meant economy in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk
Nevertheless, PC was imbalanced for a macro mechanic, fixed cost, variable reward, if that isn't imbalanced I don't know what is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur
No thats not true. Thats something Dsquid claimed and then invented a term (mass effect) pretty but inaccurate charts and all these exceptions for other things in the game that had mass effect but werent imbalanced to try to convince everyone that it really was imbalanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattII
Kinda sad to see he succeeded at least alittle.
Whether it was imbalanced or not...you have to admit it sounded incredibly bland and monotonous. How anybody would bother attempting to justify Proton Charge is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur
Boring? Absolutely. Not necessarily overpowered though! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blazur
I find Economy boosting mechanics incredibly exciting. For instance the MULE is currently my favorite unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blazur
Other people perfer shooting stuff. I go for the deeper mechanics.
Unlike MULE though, PC was particularity bland and boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur
I think allot of it was the enviroment. Let me ask you this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Archon
Would you like Proton Charge more if it was in competion with Time Warp? Instant mineral boost vs investing in more workers?
What the hell was so deep about it? You clicked an ability every X seconds for the duration of your entire career while playing Protoss. Failure to do so puts you at a disadvantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur
There was no thinking involved. No decision making. Pro players ultimately would end up getting a stopwatch on their desks which dinged at a set interval, reminding them of the optimal time to recast the ability.