Starcraft 2 wins Wired.com's vaporware award

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Originally Posted by Blazur

Do you hear me complaining soley about the wait and constant delays? No. Anybody who follows Blizzard games know the development cycle spans 3+ years. My angst for Blizzard runs deeper than that.

There's plenty of reasons for me to lose respect for Blizzard, beyond just the standard delays. Allow me to list a few that immediately come to mind.

- Ridiculously long period of time between announcement and release.
- Lack of innovation or newness in SC2. No new race.
- Splitting of SC2 into a trilogy, each likely at the cost of a full game while potentially splitting the multiplayer audience into 3.
- No LAN support in SC2.
- Diablo 3 multiplayer reduced to 4 players max.
- Overpromising and underdelivering with SC2. Morhaime confidently asserting the game will be due "This year", or "Beta this Summer", with barely any official confirmation when they again miss their deadlines.
- Lack of official communication about timelines or projections. It's almost 3 years since announcement and we still lack even a vague idea of when the beta will start.
- All Blizzard seems to care about nowadays is WoW.
- Patches are promised for their various games (WC3, D2) and delivered years afterwards without any official correspondance about the delay.
- Incessant milking of their franchises to death. This includes BlizzCon which really isn't necessary.
- Like I said, they haven't produced a game that interest me in nearly 7 years. During that time I struggle to count all the great games I've played.

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Sorry, but I must agree with Pandonetho. Most of your complaints are just whining.

We don't know how much the expansions will cost. Blizzard games have always taken a long time to make. Supporting WoW isn't some heinous crime to mankind that you seem to think. Accusing them of milking their franchises doesn't even make sense since Starcraft and Diablo haven't had sequels in over a DECADE, which is the exact opposite of "milking".

Blizzard cares for all their games, and every single interview has proven this. Starcraft 2 will take a while, but that's because Blizzard is building a new platform for their entire company in the form of Bnet 2.0. Yes it will take a while, but who really cares how long it takes as long as it's good? History has repeatedly proven that while gamers will moan and bitch over long release dates, they always shut their mouths once the game is in their hands. Yes, waiting sucks, but it's really not worth turning yourself into some kind of internet troll.

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

I looked at Braid just now. Is it the platformer where you have this queer looking dude running around and playing with time? How can you even COMPARE that to SC2? First of all, it's a 2d platformer SINGLEPLAYER game, and you're comparing it to one of the most anticipated games of all time that has to follow up on its predecessor. And really, it didn't look all that revolutionary to me. You reverse death, you know what was the first thing I thought of? Prince of Persia. It has a couple of cool effects and abilities, but I'd hardly compare a game like that to SC2, even if it was made by 1 person.

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dude wtf? have u been living under a rock? turd rock?

next thing ull say when someone says mass effect--- i just looked it up... ... lol

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

I looked at Braid just now. Is it the platformer where you have this queer looking dude running around and playing with time? How can you even COMPARE that to SC2? First of all, it's a 2d platformer SINGLEPLAYER game, and you're comparing it to one of the most anticipated games of all time that has to follow up on its predecessor. And really, it didn't look all that revolutionary to me. You reverse death, you know what was the first thing I thought of? Prince of Persia. It has a couple of cool effects and abilities, but I'd hardly compare a game like that to SC2, even if it was made by 1 person.

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I'm going to give you a chance to delete this and pretend you never wrote it lol

And Braid is on sale right now for 2 dollars and 50 cents on Steam, buy it because you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Blazur

Do you hear me complaining soley about the wait and constant delays? No. Anybody who follows Blizzard games know the development cycle spans 3+ years. My angst for Blizzard runs deeper than that.

There's plenty of reasons for me to lose respect for Blizzard, beyond just the standard delays. Allow me to list a few that immediately come to mind.

- Ridiculously long period of time between announcement and release.
- Lack of innovation or newness in SC2. No new race.
- Splitting of SC2 into a trilogy, each likely at the cost of a full game while potentially splitting the multiplayer audience into 3.
- No LAN support in SC2.
- Diablo 3 multiplayer reduced to 4 players max.
- Overpromising and underdelivering with SC2. Morhaime confidently asserting the game will be due "This year", or "Beta this Summer", with barely any official confirmation when they again miss their deadlines.
- Lack of official communication about timelines or projections. It's almost 3 years since announcement and we still lack even a vague idea of when the beta will start.
- All Blizzard seems to care about nowadays is WoW.
- Patches are promised for their various games (WC3, D2) and delivered years afterwards without any official correspondance about the delay.
- Incessant milking of their franchises to death. This includes BlizzCon which really isn't necessary.
- Like I said, they haven't produced a game that interest me in nearly 7 years. During that time I struggle to count all the great games I've played.

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+1

And lol @ delusional people trying to defend. Sucking up to Blizzard much?

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Originally Posted by Rashed801

+1

And lol @ delusional people trying to defend. Sucking up to Blizzard much?

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What's the point of sucking up? Defending a company doesn't automatically make you delusional.

Blizzard has been VERY frank about when the beta starts, so don't bitch and whine that they don't give us any information. The answer has always been when it's ready. No excuse in the world can change that, and they're better off than keeping quiet and doing what they need to do than make excuses.

I do think that becoming as big and popular as they are today has affected Blizzard's games negatively to a certain degree, but not in straightforward way. It's not that they became greedy and started compromising their games, but with that kind of worldwide fame and media overexposure they started putting into their games things they wouldn't have otherwise. I am really speaking about WoW here, a subscription based MMO has to appeal to as wide a spectrum of people as possible to really pay off so more and more things get thrown in (everything but the kitchen sink) and so WarCraft went from being a relatively serious comic-bookish and Frazetta-esque fantasy universe to being something downright goofy, or at least famous mainly for its goofier elements, the in-jokes becoming the more defining elements of the game than the story. Of course, it's arguable whether this is a bad thing, depending on one's taste, but Blizzard certainly isn't the same company as seven years ago when they released WarCraft III. Do keep in my that I'm not saying that games such as StarCraft II or Diablo III are going to be any worse than their predecessors because of that, if anything, Blizzard have managed to keep their integrity in a situation where many other companies wouldn't.

When SC2 comes out, and we all finally get our fix, I'm gonna mention/pull up this thread, and threads like it. That way we can all laugh at ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Jonny

When SC2 comes out, and we all finally get our fix, I'm gonna mention/pull up this thread, and threads like it. That way we can all laugh at ourselves.

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It's gonna take a while to dig this thread up after 2 years, thank god for "search" feature.

@Rashed801: Everyone has a right to their opinion, because they have one that differs from yourself doesn't make them delusional. I advise a bit more respectful tone all of us share a passion for Starcraft by willing to post in these forums. While those degrees may be different, it doesn't change the point.

@Pandentho: I might advise you to take a moment, simply purchase Braid on Steam and play it. I will simply state it is one of the top 5 games I have _EVER_ played. Unlike other games which provide 12 hours of solid intriging content and 30+ hours of filler, this game is a 6 hour gem of absolutely original content from first to final minute... It is truly the first game I've ever found where EVERY part of it felt "unique" and not redone.

While the game can't truly be compared to SC2 in terms of game vs game, I believe the point they intended was that in a short time period with a small crew they came out with a game that was incredible. This was in comparison to SC2 being a game that has taken significantly longer for potentially a likewise effect.

No matter the case, take advantage of the sale and purchase this game, you will be a more complete gamer for it... I can't say anything more direct than that.

@Eligor: Regarding your mentality about a slight deterioration in WoW's quality... I think that's an interesting view but there is something to consider when in comparison. I think your specific note about it being related to WoW might not span fully to the "company" well. I think this sort of mentality might be better to explore after we've purchased SC2. The reason is that they're going BACK to the RTS genre which they've essentially recreated in some ways from the ground up. Comparing that to their first MMO might be a hard comparison.

No insult intended.. but with the way you stated your opinion, I think SC2 will answer your speculation one way or another. (I bet you agree with me too... call it a hunch)

@Blazur (And those agreeing or disagreeing with him)

While I will be the first to say I'm not as pessimistic or even agree with 90% of his logic, we've hit this subject back and forth. It comes down to a single point.. he's disappointed. There is nothing wrong with feeling that way and I feel it's a bit disrespectful of those trying to prove him wrong. I personally feel it's ok to speak about the points he's making but I don't think it's right to demean his opinion/feelings.

On the opposite side though, those who agree with his disappointment in Blizzard with the long production of this game... do try to keep in perspective that Blizzard's mistakes are NOT delaying the game itself. They are delaying it to make the game better and more ready for the release. That's understandible. The issue is that they may have jumped the ball on communicating to us outside of their standard "When it's ready". While some may view that their announcing of it was premature... We have to remember that WHEN THEY DID announce it, the scope of the game was SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than it was back then. As the scope increased, eventually to the span of 3 games, the timeline grew.. While we can feel disappointed in the wait... at least we have information explaining why it's taking this long.

In other words, respect your emotions, understand them, but don't allow them to blind you to the facts that help your mind understand what's happening. You'll only be hurting yourself in the end... that's my two cents of wisdom.

[Sorry for digressing/deviating from the conversation... but I'm just going to leave it like this]