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After watching some of the new videos, I think I've figured out how the Brood Lord works.
He produces Mantalings like other units might produce energy: automatically. He can carry up to 2 Mantalings. But he can throw however many Mantalings he has produced simultaneously. So the first Brood Lord attack is basically double damage, always.
So... the Mantalings act like damage modifiers (25 x 2 on first shot?)?
-Psi
The exact damage isn't clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicol Bolas
The Brood Lord does 25 damage per attack. Each attack launches a Mantaling (who each do 4 damage when they attack) except the first attack which shoots 2 Mantalings.
So we can't be sure until we can test it whether the damage the Brood Lord does is based on how many Mantalings is shoots (ie. 50 dmg for 2) or if it is always set at 25 damage, regardless of its the first attack or not.
The scariest thing is how efficient it is in tying up marines and other early tier units. In some of the vids, the marines were so occupied with mantalings that the hydras were pretty much getting free shots in.
A couple brood lords would potentially be able to tie up a Plantery Fortress while you move in banelings or other units.
PF can't hit air, and even if it could the BL would outrange it. I can see them tying up Thors though.Quote:
A couple brood lords would potentially be able to tie up a Plantery Fortress while you move in banelings or other units.
It's mostly that the PF will likely shoot at the Mantalings, unless the opposing player explicitly micros it to shoot the Banelings. This lets more Banelings get close enough to explode on it.Quote:
PF can't hit air, and even if it could the BL would outrange it.
How many Banelings do you need to blow a PF? They deal 80 dmg, so that's at least 19 Banelings, not counting those dying by being to close to the splashed area. That's at least 950m 475g to destroy a PF with Banelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicol Bolas
Zerg needs Dark Swarm for this, and we're talking about an early building... And even with DS, splash did apply anyways, right?
IIRC Banelings are immune to friendly splash.
I was referring to splash from the PF attack, shooting at whatever is there, and taking out some Banelings by "collateral" damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by n00bonicPlague
The PF splash is not that big. And there's no reason to march your Banelings through the line of fire, especially when the whole point of using the BL here was to serve as a distraction for your Banelings.Quote:
I was referring to splash from the PF attack, shooting at whatever is there, and taking out some Banelings by "collateral" damage.
And the point still stands; the PF will be busy shooting at disposable units while the real killers can move in unopposed.
Now personally, I wouldn't spend Banelings on a PF. I'd prefer to use a bunch of Zerglings, coupled with a damage boost from Acid Spores from an Overseer. Zerglings that do 10 damage apiece are a frightening thing indeed.
PF's under attack will almost always result in SCV's crowding around the PF to repair it. Baneling splash will help destroy SCV's on top of damaging the PF.
Bring a mix of all types of lings, there's no reason not to bring banelings though if the PF is occupied by other units attacking it.
Lurkers will be the bane of the PF later in the game.
The cheapest, fastest way for Zerg to kill a PF without using air is to tank it with Roaches and kill it with Banelings.
I'd say the cheapest way is with a bunch of mutas.
Ha. Indeed. Post edited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
Actually the cheapest way is to not buy the game at all roflsauce.
Where's the rep system when we need it?Quote:
Originally Posted by n00bonicPlague
Remember: the Banelings are melee, it's possible that you just can't manouver them to not take any damage. If you can, it's still expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicol Bolas
The Brood Lords were slow to kill it, but would succeed if they had more time. It's just retarded they take so much time to kill it, considering they deal like 25 dmg per attack, however. Still, it's ridiculous you need a Brood Lord to kill a structure that is low-Tier.
So, would the Zergling + spore maneuver not be effective?Quote:
Still, it's ridiculous you need a Brood Lord to kill a structure that is low-Tier.
Actualy, the cheapest way to get around a planetary fortress is to figure out how to win the game without taking it on head on. Let the terran waste ressources to trade off the ability to scan and call down mules for a very localized security.
"The water's formation avoids the high and rushes to the low. So an army's formation avoids the strong and focus on the weak."
Seriously, I dont think the Zerg or the protoss have a cheap and effective counter to a 1200 hit points powerhouse that is continuously surrounded by cheap and fast produced units that can quickly repair it.
The Protoss can easily take the later part out of the equation with a few well-placed Psi Storms. In BR4, had he taken a couple of Zealots to clean up the few remaining SCVs, he'd have taken the thing out.Quote:
Seriously, I dont think the Zerg or the protoss have a cheap and effective counter to a 1200 hit points powerhouse that is continuously surrounded by cheap and fast produced units that can quickly repair it.
Actually, scratch that. The Protoss have Void Rays. At full strength, 3-4 of them can burn a PF down even with lots of SCVs healing it.
Maybe Brood Lords should be brought down to Tier 2. Or something.
Well if Mutas still have their old bouncing attack those SCVs are going to go down relatively quickly, or you could alternatively try Infestors.
Well the PF weaknesses are
air+siege... high hp attacks to get around armor... high hp units
now siege is not available to Protoss/Zerg till Tier 3
Air is a valid tier 2 response (Mutas will kill off the SCVs, Void Rays have enough dps to overwhelm it)... However, there you have to deal with Terran Missile Turrets
Looking at High hp attacks.. the Immortal seems like it would do well (some Psi Storms would help deal wth the SCVs)... and the Shield would help against a 40 damage attack.
The Zerg do seem to have trouble, banelings might help in terms of dealing with SCVs....
Acid Spores could be useful assuming they affect buildings.
Just remember though, an attack doesn't necessarily have to totally succeed to be a victory, because taking the SCVs off mining and forcing them to spend minerals on repair might well tip the economic balance, to say nothing of the cost and time of replacing destroyed SCVs.
That's a clear sign of a balance problem. If someone can block the path for so long, by investing a minimal amount of resources, something is wrong. Just imagine that they do that on their natural. The only thing you can do, is drop on their main, or try to outexpand, but suddently, the Terran bases are a whole lot safer from attack, he can concentrate on expanding too.Quote:
Originally Posted by B~E