THOR and MARAUDER FIX

To everyone saying lasers are weak or lack punch or not aestetically boom boom enough or dont make sense according to what your high school teacher taught you about lasers or your "Theory for Efficient Futuristic Wartime Economics":

Remember the Rule of Cool

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People will always see laser beams as weak.

Physical impacts have mass, which is something the thor has in abundance. IMO, shells fit more than energy weapons, even though (in lore, at least at the moment) the thor uses directed particle beams.

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Originally Posted by Kimera757

Physical impacts have mass, which is something the thor has in abundance. IMO, shells fit more than energy weapons, even though (in lore, at least at the moment) the thor uses directed particle beams.

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Dont care. Lasers are cooler with mass. Ergo vica v the lasers in Starcraft should have mass. Concotently and hypotenuse, thor should have a huge friggin laser to blow stuff up with.

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Lasers are cooler with mass.

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Photons have little to no mass. I hear the recoil on a laser is backwards!

Anyway, when people think of big guns, they're thinking of tank shells or artillery. I don't think you can make that change. It doesn't help that one of StarCraft I's most memorable units, the Wraith, fired dinky little lasers that did mimimal damage.

You know why a sword is cooler than an axe or mace? Because you can draw it from the scabbard, and you can make that into a badass move. Even has a cool (probably fake) sound.

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Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur

To everyone saying lasers are weak or lack punch or not aestetically boom boom enough or dont make sense according to what your high school teacher taught you about lasers or your "Theory for Efficient Futuristic Wartime Economics":

Remember the Rule of Cool

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And... is it not possible... that our desire to see big ass non-laser guns on the Thor is also based on the Rule of Cool?



P.S. sweet avvie Quirel. :)

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Originally Posted by pure.Wasted

And... is it not possible... that our desire to see big ass non-laser guns on the Thor is also based on the Rule of Cool?

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It would appear not. Because, if one does not agree with laser weapons, the very fibre of the universe changes and transforms one into a narrow-minded fanboy.

A rather spectacular process to behold, I hear.

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Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur

To everyone saying lasers are weak or lack punch or not aestetically boom boom enough or dont make sense according to what your high school teacher taught you about lasers or your "Theory for Efficient Futuristic Wartime Economics":

Remember the Rule of Cool

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anyone else think lasers are the most boring kind of weapon ever? Plasma, Shells, Explosives, Void rays=cool

Star Wars style laser=stupid.

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They are.
In case you haven't noticed, their entire society was ruled by "Political Families", who had almost complete control over politics and media. The Confederacy was free to walk onto legitimate prospector claims and take them by force. The UNN is just a propaganda outlet.

And then Arcturas Megnsk comes in and promises to change everything for the better, only to revert to the same practices. How is that not dystopian?

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Even though I agree with most of the stuff you said (especially how Gits being the only anime that doesnt suck balls), I'd like to point out that Terran's aren't a dystopia. Dystopia requires the premise of utopia. The confederacy is just an oppressive aristocracy, and mengsk is just a dictator. Just because a goverment is oppressive doesn't make a dystopia. Second, dystopia is a term to describe literature. Dystopias aren't something bad societies actually are (ie:you can't describe "China" as a dystopia), its a term to describe literature that focuses on why a imagined society is flawed.

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Hardly.
It's futuristic, but mecha will never be used on an actual battlefield. Hence SCIENCE FICTION.

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While i'd agree that we'll never use mechas in the near future, I actually see stuff like the Goliath and Thor making a lot of sense in SC universe. The biggest barrier why we'd never use mechs is cost inefficiency. And in starcraft, in an age of galactic colonization, resources are only limited by how fast you can mine, creating a huge surplus of minerals, in contrast with anything that could actually happen in the near future, where resources would be a lot more valuable.

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Originally Posted by newcomplex

Even though I agree with most of the stuff you said (especially how Gits being the only anime that doesnt suck balls), I'd like to point out that Terran's aren't a dystopia. Dystopia requires the premise of utopia. The confederacy is just an oppressive aristocracy, and mengsk is just a dictator. Just because a goverment is oppressive doesn't make a dystopia. Second, dystopia is a term to describe literature. Dystopias aren't something bad societies actually are (ie:you can't describe "China" as a dystopia), its a term to describe literature that focuses on why a imagined society is flawed.

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"A dystopia (from the Greek δυσ- and τόπος, alternatively, cacotopia,[1] kakotopia, cackotopia, or anti-utopia) is the vision of a society in which conditions of life are miserable and characterized by poverty, oppression, war, violence, disease, pollution, nuclear fallout and/or the abridgement of human rights, resulting in widespread unhappiness, suffering, and other kinds of pain.[2]" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia

Just for the record. ;) Dystopian literature is a genre, but it's not the only use the word has.

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Originally Posted by Ghost_828

Interesting. Even though the Thor is to be "the first one [carrying laser weapons]", "all mech" apparently carry them. It is even considered "normal", even though it has no antecedent
To a degree, yes. However, electricmole, from what I can construe, is actually talking more about the 'look' than the technical details.

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Actually I don’t care which is more practical or effective as both type of weapons are good anyway. But my point is what I think is cooler and more fitting for the thor mech,. Having a type of energy weapon for the thor adds awesomeness aside from its missile barrage or back canons it currently has.
Just take a look at this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUlMr...eature=related
The mech in the video has different types of weapons, the canons, rockets are badass and effective but whats the thing that made the difference, it’s the powerful energy charging weapon it has. It doesn’t look alien or protoss at all, with some modification like maybe more orange colored, different sound effect, and shorter beam then its definitely terran just like the bc yamato.
Now from the mech design of the thor and its background lore being the most powerful ground unit of the terran, I have to say it needs something else, something better from the usual terran projectiles and shells weaponry. The thor doesn’t really look impressive iconic on the way it shoots or attacks now, its so bland that its obviously caters only for gameplay clarity not giving the thor a better justice with its weapon choice and how impressive it should look when it attacks.

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Originally Posted by Wankey

Who gives a crap man. This discussion is stupid to be honest. Lasers got pew pew. Cannons got bang. I want a bang on my thor, not a pew pew laser. Got it?
It’s all opinions… and my facts are correct… in my opinion! Photon Torpedoes are bad ass, phasers are not. Heck, even Defiant used projectile cannons (yeah yeah phasers) which look like small photon torpedoes, are way cooler than phasers!
Lasers… no. End of story. Rail guns? maybe. The Razorback already has them. And it fits that sleek unit. Plasma cannons? Maybe. But it’s too distracting (since there is a projectile involved). So why bother? The current cannons look cool, and they work. They fit in the Terran armory. It’s all a big fuss over nothing. This discussion is over.

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Its not a pew pew laser ala starwars or even protoss. Im talking about terran version of lasers or energy weapons ala the SC2 BC laser attacks or the yamato attack. A charging devastating energy laser plasma whatever you call that looks very powerful and shocking and not your usual pew pew straight line lasers. GOT IT?!
Distracting? Adding another visible energy projectile won’t make any difference.
In my eyes the current shotgun like normal attack of the thor looks bland, boring, uninteresting, unimpressive and not cool.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

Who say's it has artillery cannons because of gameplay differences?
Haven't you heard us talking? Artillery shells are still cool!

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It’s either because of gameplay or they think artillery shells are cool. If only they can show the thor with energy weapon im sure it is cool too and more importantly more fitting.
The basilisk in DOW is the most perfect unit for artillery shells.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

And yet, it's still a mentality common to anime fans that:
Mechs are advanced technology, and are a hallmark of advanced civilizations.
Mechs require advanced weapons systems that often cannot be mounted on smaller vehicles.

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Anime fans knows that mechs can have both weapon type. I have seen lots of anime mechs or mechs with gatling canons, missiles, canons, etc in artworks, games, etc.
It has nothing to do with mech being advance should only have energy weapons.
Its normal for mechs to have projectile, shells, or canons type of weapons from a normal or anime fan point of view.

What im saying is advanced mechs usually have better weapons than shells and canons so I want the thor to have it as well.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

It depends. Most anime is blegh, with the art style and the storyline competing to see which is worse. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is one exception.

As for mecha, there is good and bad. Whereas the status of the Covenant Scarab as a mech is debatable, the Skynet Centurion and the Terran Goliath were awesome.

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Well the thor is no goliath or centurion. I compare it more to the likes of the supreme commander robot.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

Hardly.
It's futuristic, but mecha will never be used on an actual battlefield. Hence SCIENCE FICTION.

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Power suit are the next best thing in future battlefield. Im sure robots and mechs are next.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

Nope. Just gives it a generic sci fi mech feeling.

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It does make the thor looks impressive and more powerful just like the bc having laser batteries.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

The Battlecruiser has laser weapons because the features of those weapons provide it with an edge in space. The Thor has them because they provide an edge on the ground.

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Then why does most sci-fi mech have energy weapons on the ground and is also very effective if not more effective.?

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Originally Posted by Quirel

In my campaign to have the Thor sidelined, I've imagined it with just about every weapon, from vertical launch missiles to lasers to flamethrowers to AoE missiles. (My favorite version! Walkurie zu Fuss!)
I prefer artillery cannons.

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I prefer energy weapon as its normal attack. I want an improvised version of the red beam coming out from the original thor presented. And a charging animation just like the bc yamato. Lets see.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

You believe. You believe. That's what this whole thread is about! You haven't offered anything but your OPINION, and yet you are convinced that we are wrong.
That is the best definition of "Fanboy" that I can come up with.

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Ok your not wrong. But why not give it a chance. Hey blizzard make it happen. Lets see which one is better.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

Yes, I do. Halo, War of the Worlds, Starship Troopers (The book, not the craptastic movies) Terminator, Matrix, Castle Wolfenstein, Dune, Ghost in the Shell, Chronicles of Riddick and so much more.
In some, energy weapons are the end-all, be-all. In others, such as Dune and StarCraft, lasers exist side-by-side with conventional weapons, because they have different advantages..

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The thor with some sort of energy weapon will make it 10x more appealing because from the thor mech design itself it clearly needs something else than artilleries. The thor mech is no Viking or goliath.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

I know, and many of them sport energy weapons. Why use what is overused, when what you have is awesome?

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Well its awesome but mediocre like as well. Why? Because compared to other mechs (yes I compare and its sometimes necessary) ain’t really powerful to other sci-fi mechs if it only have huge shells as its weapon.

Again, I base it from the thor look alone, from terran capable of having lasers, and from the fact that its usual for huge top tier sci-fi mechs like the thor to have some sort of energy weapons.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

Level of 'awareness'? You?

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Yes, from what I know about mechs and their weapons.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

An archaic name for Japan, like Britannia is an archaic name for Britain. It's also the origin of the racial slur "Nips".

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

You're very open, but you refuse to believe that people would prefer artillery cannons over lasers, assuming that their preference is simply because "They haven't seen it yet."





That isn't 'very open'.

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Ok. But lets give both type of weapons a chance.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

They are.
In case you haven't noticed, their entire society was ruled by "Political Families", who had almost complete control over politics and media. The Confederacy was free to walk onto legitimate prospector claims and take them by force. The UNN is just a propaganda outlet.

And then Arcturas Megnsk comes in and promises to change everything for the better, only to revert to the same practices. How is that not dystopian?

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TERRAN ARE RICH. The marine power suit alone is not a dystopian thing. They have battlecruisers. And they have energy weapon. Period. They just dont want to make most things looking pretty and sleek. They are satisfied looking gritty and rough.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

All in your head, 'boy'. We've never once mentioned buggies or WWII pistols. We haven't even mentioned HANDGUNS, for crying out loud! What we've been saying is that artillery may be an old principle, but it is an EFFECTIVE principle.

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Ok. I know they are effective.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

And why do you think they changed it? Perhaps it's because the artillery was popular? Or perhaps it just looked better?

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No, maybe because they thought it differentiate the two races more, the toss= lasers and terran = no lasers rule. Or maybe blizzard thought its badass and very terran? Well maybe, but why just be limited or trying hard with the shells and canons considering that the terran can have energy weapons anyway.

I doubt the current attack looks better than the one with an energy attacks which I can’t really explain or show.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

Then you do not know Star Trek at all.

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I like mr spock.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

StarCraft is Futuristic. Not the future.

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Ok.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

As I pointed out with the "Anime fanboy mindset", you are assuming that bigger mechs are a higher class of mech, and they need a higher class of weapons.

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Its normal. So Why leave the thor behind by giving it a lesser weapon set.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

And how are shells 'usual' if most of the other mecha out there use lasers?

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Both are usual. Most mech have both set of weapons which is the best thing to do just as well for thor.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

We are able to imagine it, and we're saying that we don't like that

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WHY?

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Originally Posted by Quirel

What if your favorite flavor of ice cream was "Dysentric Turd". Would you assume that, since everyone was telling you that they don't like it, they weren't able to imagine what it tastes like?

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THEy should try it first.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

Well, I'll abandon my usual derision of hypocrisy, and simply use an old India proverb.
"You cannot throw mud without getting some on yourself."
You are not just throwing mud, you are pissing in the wind.

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But since you're full of shit in the first place, I guess it doesn't matter if you get some ON you. .[/QUOTE]

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Quirel

Why does the BC have laser batteries? Because of engagement speed and long distances.
Why does the Thor have artillery shells? Because of indirect fire and small engagement distances.

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Why does most if not all sci-fi mech have energy weapons for indirect fire and small engagement distances?

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Originally Posted by Quirel

You've used "imo" three times, along with other words connotating opinion.
Face it, you just ain't bringing hard facts to the table, just a fanboy's whine.
And while it was entertaining for the first few times, I suggest dropping off the site for a while, and then coming back with a new name. What little reputation you had isn't going to survive this.

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by pure.Wasted

"A dystopia (from the Greek δυσ- and τόπος, alternatively, cacotopia,[1] kakotopia, cackotopia, or anti-utopia) is the vision of a society in which conditions of life are miserable and characterized by poverty, oppression, war, violence, disease, pollution, nuclear fallout and/or the abridgement of human rights, resulting in widespread unhappiness, suffering, and other kinds of pain.[2]" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia

Just for the record. ;) Dystopian literature is a genre, but it's not the only use the word has.

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The key words their are vision and characterized.

While starcraft universe is certainly a vision by some writer, I wouldn't say its necessarily characterized by poverty, oppression, war violence, disease, pollution, etc, etc. While some of the fiction novels could possible by considered dystopian, I would certainly argue that the universe a whole is certainly not characterized those elements, except the war part. And it certainly doesn't show how miserable life is. Their is very little empathizing with the marine.

Some of the novels and short stories are dystopian, like the ghost sent down to eliminate alien cult, or the story of the reporter who gets resocialized. But you can't use dystopian to describe something as broad as the entire starcraft universe. The word doesnt work that way. Otherwise I could say pretty much every single civilization that ever existed is dystopian.