New battle.net launch for WOW - possible start for SC2 BN2.0 servers

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In preparation for the launch of these new features, on November 11, 2009, all current World of Warcraft players will be required to merge their World of Warcraft accounts with a Battle.net account in order to log in to the game. As our way to say "thanks" for taking a moment to go through the process, existing World of Warcraft accounts that upgrade to Battle.net (including those that have already switched over) will receive a brand-new penguin in-game pet -- check for him in your in-game mailbox later this week. Starting on November 11, all World of Warcraft players will need to log in to the game using a Battle.net username and password, and anyone who wishes to create a new World of Warcraft account will need to start with a Battle.net account.

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As some people said that 2-3 months after BlizzCon Beta should be out since it's almost ready than something near 11 November is very possible to start Battle.net servers for StarCraft 2 and start the Beta.

I think that the beta will be out till the end of November and I even put my Beta Keys that till 6 of December the beta will be out.

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-us/news/?d=2009-10#121400

There is already a thread about this and it has nothing to do with StarCraft 2 or its beta. It's simply a deadline for people to merge their WoW accounts with a Battle.net account. No new Battle.net features are launching and no beta is going to be starting.

Older than the Overmind.

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Originally Posted by spychi

I think that the beta will be out till the end of November and I even put my Beta Keys that till 6 of December the beta will be out.

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I've not forgotten our little bet, spychi.

http://sclegacy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=422&page=18

If beta isn't out by the 6th of Dec. you owe me a beta key. This is twice now you've wagered on that date. If you fail to deliver then all your credibility is lost, along with your fansite's credibility.

Well, about this thread, it actually relates to a different set of blue posts than the last one. Both of which are the same information though.

Now there may be a general consensus that "battle.net servers won't be up then"... there is another point to consider, which is the nature of the battle.net 2.0 testing. By requiring everyone on World of Warcraft to update to b.net accounts finally, this means that they must have enough of an infrastructure in place to allow them to consider testing b.net on the WoW side of things. In other words, this is a major announcement in terms of beta release.

What I suspect will be the case (Note the word suspect, therefore, speculation) is that they will incorporate WoW's B.net implementation, They will then open Starcraft 2 beta. This will allow them to open a 3.31 patch to test out cross realm communication relating to this, then later go all in with cross game communication.

Blizzard would not set this requirement if they haven't overcome a hurdle. You don't make these decisions on a whim, something prevents you from doing it over time, and that preventative issue is no longer the case.

Something is changing therefore something must have changed.

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

Older than the Overmind.

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Oct 13, 2009
you are tarded you know that?

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Originally Posted by Gifted

Now there may be a general consensus that "battle.net servers won't be up then"... there is another point to consider, which is the nature of the battle.net 2.0 testing. By requiring everyone on World of Warcraft to update to b.net accounts finally, this means that they must have enough of an infrastructure in place to allow them to consider testing b.net on the WoW side of things.

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No it means that they want all the accounts to be handled by the Battle.net system now instead of having two separate login verification servers for classic WoW accounts and Battle.net merged WoW accounts.

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In other words, this is a major announcement in terms of beta release.

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Every time something like this pops up people run around screaming "BETA IS COMING! BETA IS COMING!" and then act disappointed when it turns out to be nothing.

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What I suspect will be the case (Note the word suspect, therefore, speculation) is that they will incorporate WoW's B.net implementation, They will then open Starcraft 2 beta.

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I highly doubt that. They will more than likely be incorporating the WoW related Battle.net functionality in the Cataclysm expansion. I don't see them making the Battle.net team work on WoW stuff when they could have them working on functionality needed for the SC2 beta, which they are trying their hardest to get out.

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Blizzard would not set this requirement if they haven't overcome a hurdle. You don't make these decisions on a whim, something prevents you from doing it over time, and that preventative issue is no longer the case.

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They have had stability issues with the Battle.net login verification servers for WoW for a while, which I suspect was why they didn't do this any sooner. It has absolutely nothing to do with the StarCraft 2 beta.

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Originally Posted by Hav0x

I highly doubt that. They will more than likely be incorporating the WoW related Battle.net functionality in the Cataclysm expansion. I don't see them making the Battle.net team work on WoW stuff when they could have them working on functionality needed for the SC2 beta, which they are trying their hardest to get out.

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The WoW battlenet features tied to cataclysm are directly related to the SC2 battle net improvements.

In order to support intergrated voice chat cross wow->starcraft, their needs to be some drastic serverside and clientside changes to be done. It would seem so vastly idiotic to convert everyone to a new battlenet framework if it was due to be replaced by the battlenet 2.0 framework, which will release with sc2.

Thus the new battlenet changes are directly related to visible progress with the battlenet 2.0 issues that are delaying starcraft and its beta release.

If blizzard is ready for a large scale movement of wow accounts, that would mean most of the netcode and serverside stuff is done.

While obviously a early november beta is unlikely (if that could happen, I bet they would have already released news by now), It really does create a lot of new hope for a 09 beta.

@hav0x:

Since you were nice enough to reply in your normal frustrated tone... I figured I'd reply with something calming. He said I'm allowed to share these lines as they can be deduced as public knowledge.

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Jack Doe: Saw both the screenshots and I can say that your ass is right. We did overcome a major code milestone that allowed us to do the manditory account swap in November.

Jack Doe: This milestone affects the progress of battle.net as a whole. There is no "WoW side" or "Starcraft side" of the project at this time. A lot of people can't grasp that it's a different project even if it integrates with a game.

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On another note, there are sources in the wow community that say that "cross realm communication" is going to be implemented into wow before Cataclysm. As Starcraft 2, and therefore Battle.net 2.0, will be released before Cataclysm, therein you will find the basis on my speculation. For those who don't understand this, cross realm communication is possible by means of the Battle.net 2.0 technology.

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Originally Posted by spychi

Oct 13, 2009
you are tarded you know that?

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In Blizzfan time that's a long time when this has already been discussed to death across all of the major forums. You are late to the party. Get over it.

Furthermore, I've already destroyed your credibility in the past, therefore, proving that YOU are 'tarded'.

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

In Blizzfan time that's a long time when this has already been discussed to death across all of the major forums. You are late to the party. Get over it.

Furthermore, I've already destroyed your credibility in the past, therefore, proving that YOU are 'tarded'.

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In the most recent batch of beta links in the beta link repository, there is some information in them that have existed for months and I've not seen discussed at all in any forums :)

For both persons involved, I think it'd be a shame to see you fighting on what defines an item as "old". It's only as old or new as the individual who reads it perceives it. Even if a person found this out a month late, it would be "new news" to them, even if it's old to the general StarCraft populous.

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

In Blizzfan time that's a long time when this has already been discussed to death across all of the major forums. You are late to the party. Get over it.

Furthermore, I've already destroyed your credibility in the past, therefore, proving that YOU are 'tarded'.

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what? when? you never did...
and for the past year alot of things have changed, especially after before BlizzCon 09, I get first hand informations straight or from Blizzard or from friends (StarCraft2.net.pl which is an authorized fansite) also sometimes I ask for help from Gradius or LoA. So no my credibility is reliable. It's just that I like to have fun on these forums and troll a bit making fake threads or what-so-ever.
I see that we have alot of misinformation here about me so I would like to make some things straight for people.
I am writing news, articles and I provide Q&A for our fansite with few friends, ask Negro - he is a member here - if he doubts in my credibility.

I apologize for the "tard" thing but I got nervous for a while.

I actually don't blame anyone, it's my fault that I created such opinion on myself here.

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Originally Posted by Gifted

Since you were nice enough to reply in your normal frustrated tone... I figured I'd reply with something calming. He said I'm allowed to share these lines as they can be deduced as public knowledge.

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Do you actually think anyone here believes you have some magical inside source?

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Jack Doe: Saw both the screenshots and I can say that your ass is right. We did overcome a major code milestone that allowed us to do the manditory account swap in November.

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If the Battle.net code was too unstable to handle users, there is no way in hell that Blizzard would allow people to merge their accounts, even voluntarily. There is no way to know how many would merge their accounts. No chance Blizzard takes a gamble like that.

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Jack Doe: This milestone affects the progress of battle.net as a whole. There is no "WoW side" or "Starcraft side" of the project at this time. A lot of people can't grasp that it's a different project even if it integrates with a game.

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Integrating it with a game REQUIRES that there be a "WoW side" and "Starcraft side". Is it just magically going to work without any WoW/SC2 specific code to integrate it?

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On another note, there are sources in the wow community that say that "cross realm communication" is going to be implemented into wow before Cataclysm.

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I follow the WoW community pretty closely and I haven't seen a single mention of that going live before or even in Cataclysm. There is only one major patch left for WotLK and it is already on the PTR. Huge features like that usually do not get added in small minor patches.

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As Starcraft 2, and therefore Battle.net 2.0, will be released before Cataclysm, therein you will find the basis on my speculation.

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Pure speculation. Do I expect StarCraft 2 to be released before Cataclysm? Yes. It doesn't mean that it will though.

The bottom line is that the Battle.net login/verification servers have been up and running for many many months. If this news had been about them just now getting them up and running I could see people thinking it was good news for the SC2 beta, but it isn't. They simply want to get everyone moved over to the new system (that has been implemented for months) so they don't have to continue running two sets of verification servers and so that when it is time to fully launch B.net 2.0 everybody is ready for it.

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Originally Posted by Hav0x

Do you actually think anyone here believes you have some magical inside source?

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Well he's SC:L staff now so I'm guessing there's a few people who think he's an honest guy.

Not that his 'magical inside source' has anything to do with him being on the team.

*nods* Hav0k, as I see from your replies, here and elsewhere, they're more negative judgments than constructive criticism. No offense is intended in that observation, but I've proven to have credibility, and if you don't wish to look at it that way, there is no problem to that and I take no offense.

My "magical inside source" is a person I've known as a friend over many years who happens to work at Blizzard right now. We've worked on a previous project in the industry together where I was an associate producer of the game that he was a developer of. While I'm happy to share some of our conversations over AIM, I also can't deny that I'm unable to provide any proof, and the core mentality of the community is and should be "If it's not from an official source, it's not official." So if you wish to consider my source not-credible at all, then there is no issue what-so-ever in that mentality. It's not my goal to prove he exists, it's merely my goal to share any little tidbit I can, even by "non-official" means and if it's strictly an opinion.

I also want to elaborate on something. The information that he provided was his opinion aligned with mine, not merely saying "here's official proof". In hindsight, I believe that it could have been perceived more snobbish than attempting to share information (which was my intent) and for that I apologize if my intent wasn't portrayed correctly.

I'll value the opinions of a person more than his or her judgments. I'm sorry if my original reply was perceived as the latter, but I'm concerned at the judgemental tone that is perceived in the majority of your messages. Just two cents for you sir or ma'am.

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Regarding WoW: High hardware features have been highlights of MANY subpatches in it's history. 2.2.2 for voicechat (even if it's not used), 3.0.2 for inscription, achievements and the barbershop (which was released priority to an expansion, which will happen again with Cataclysm), 2.0.1 enabled the honor/arena system, and allowed the talent revamp. WoW has a history of releasing complex important features SPECIFICALLY in subpatches before the real release to test them out and has proven to do so successfully. There are many other examples, but those are the most prevalent. There will be sub-patches after 3.3 as well, there is no way they'd be able to justify the potential of 4-10 months with no content.

Regarding the way this announcement affects battle.net: I'm not saying "This means battle.net is coming sooner", my intent is to say "A change like this is visible because they made more progress internally." This is good news. Does it mean things will happen "Sooner" than they're intended, no. Progress will happen even if we don't know about it, It's nice to see some public information representing that progress is happening. That's all I truly felt to share.

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Originally Posted by Blazur

I've not forgotten our little bet, spychi.

http://sclegacy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=422&page=18

If beta isn't out by the 6th of Dec. you owe me a beta key. This is twice now you've wagered on that date. If you fail to deliver then all your credibility is lost, along with your fansite's credibility.

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So your saying the credibility of a polish website is now lost to the english speaking populace of this forum.

o teh horror

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Originally Posted by newcomplex

So your saying the credibility of a polish website is now lost to the english speaking populace of this forum.

o teh horror

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Yep...but that's not it. If he fails to deliver I'll also sleep with his girlfriend (assuming he has one), commit identity theft on his bank account, AND hack his website. So it would be wise of him to uphold his end of the bargain...OR ELSE!

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Originally Posted by Blazur

Yep...but that's not it. If he fails to deliver I'll also sleep with his girlfriend (assuming he has one),

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well not anymore ;/... actually for a about few months

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Originally Posted by spychi

well not anymore ;/... actually for a about few months

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Sorry dude. On the bright side, at least now you'll have more time to play the SC2 beta!

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Originally Posted by Blazur

Sorry dude. On the bright side, at least now you'll have more time to play the SC2 beta!

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yay...? :(

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Originally Posted by spychi

yay...? :(

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I feel like a bad person because I laughed so hard at the fact that Spychi doesn't have a girlfriend.

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Originally Posted by Gifted

In the most recent batch of beta links in the beta link repository, there is some information in them that have existed for months and I've not seen discussed at all in any forums :)

For both persons involved, I think it'd be a shame to see you fighting on what defines an item as "old". It's only as old or new as the individual who reads it perceives it. Even if a person found this out a month late, it would be "new news" to them, even if it's old to the general StarCraft populous.

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Exactly, cant expect the occasional browsers (like myself) to do extensive research to find out what came out when before they post. Not everybody is on here every single day reading most of not every thread.

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Originally Posted by Sarov

I feel like a bad person because I laughed so hard at the fact that Spychi doesn't have a girlfriend.

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well after few years of knowing things went ugly