Favorite HoTS Arcs

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Originally Posted by KaiseStratosTygo

I'm pretty sure everyone in the universe hates this arc, it's so stupid and pointless.

I quite enjoyed the Korhal arc, even though it really shouldn't have been the focus, but it was fun to play and fun to finally get rid of Mengsk.

"I had the feeling that I'd 'earned' the right to have a carte blance approach. Don't get me wrong, I love the objective-focussed nature of the WoL and HotS campaigns. But Korhal had an SC1 feeling, and in a good way. I could fight as I wanted, and live or die by my own tactical merits (or lack of them - I'm a lowly bronze after all)."

Also this, it was a sort of "Destroy the enemy base" type mission that's ironically missing from SC2, I wish blizzard hadn't over corrected and gotten rid of nearly all of that sort of gameplay, seeing as how that's what drew me to the series to begin with.

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The Korhal arc was fine, reminded me SLIGHTLY of the UED's invasion of Korhal, just on an easier scale. But then, the UED foolishly didn't destroy the Dominion industrial worlds. With regards to fighting as you wanted, the 1st of the Skygeirr missions could be interpreted like that too, as you never really NEEDED the infested terrans in the first place...

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

I still think she would have tried to find a way to get Raynor to be with her. This had always been something I felt she was thinking deep down back when she infested Ethan Stewart.

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Wishful thinking is fine, but nothing in BW ever suggests this. Also, what with WoL segregating Kerrigan into a good human side (the bit that loves Raynor) and evil Queen of Blades side (the bit that just wants to kill everything), this would be even more unlikely to happen since without the artifact/prophecy stuff, we'd be stuck with only having the homicidal Queen of Blades.

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Originally Posted by Turalyon

Wishful thinking is fine, but nothing in BW ever suggests this. Also, what with WoL segregating Kerrigan into a good human side (the bit that loves Raynor) and evil Queen of Blades side (the bit that just wants to kill everything), this would be even more unlikely to happen since without the artifact/prophecy stuff, we'd be stuck with only having the homicidal Queen of Blades.

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I understand that. This is why I had constantly asked that in the "True Colors" mission, just WHERE was Raynor on Korhal? Because I refuse to believe Kerrigan did not order the swarm to attack him simply because he was too far away and out of reach. Even if that WAS the case, there had to be another reason....

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

This is why I had constantly asked that in the "True Colors" mission, just WHERE was Raynor on Korhal? Because I refuse to believe Kerrigan did not order the swarm to attack him simply because he was too far away and out of reach. Even if that WAS the case, there had to be another reason....

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Maybe Raynor just wasn't physically there at the time, like Mengsk was.

Maybe Kerrigan didn't kill Raynor because she thought he was an insignificant ant that was not worth the effort or time to chase/kill (like she does in Agent of the Swarm) whilst Fenix and Duke, being more annoying, belligerent and dangerous, were more worthy of being killed.

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Originally Posted by Turalyon

Maybe Raynor just wasn't physically there at the time, like Mengsk was.

Maybe Kerrigan didn't kill Raynor because she thought he was an insignificant ant that was not worth the effort or time to chase/kill (like she does in Agent of the Swarm) whilst Fenix and Duke, being more annoying, belligerent and dangerous, were more worthy of being killed.

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True, but he had to at least have been close, like being on the Hyperion, which was in high orbit over Korhal.

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Originally Posted by Turalyon

Killed everyone eventually. It was pretty much on-the-wall/written into a corner even then.

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The epilogue makes it pretty clear that she was going to let them live and was worried about... something else.

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

True, but he had to at least have been close, like being on the Hyperion, which was in high orbit over Korhal.

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Read the 2nd option

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Originally Posted by FanaticTemplar

The epilogue makes it pretty clear that she was going to let them live and was worried about... something else.

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The epilogue was only clear that she was worried about something else, not that she was going to let them live.

"As for my unlikely allies, I think that I shall allow them a reprieve. For in time I will seek to test their resolve, and their strengths. They will all be mine in the end, for I am the Queen of Blades."

Seems pretty clear she's going to allow them to live until the sequel.

^ Read what I wrote originally and carefully. "Killed everyone eventually". I didn't write that last word offhandedly.

I think a new poll is in order with just Char vs Skygeirr.

Make FanaticTemplar, Visions of Khas, Jconant, Robear, Hawki, and KaiseStratosTygo all revote. =p

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Originally Posted by RetlocLive

I think a new poll is in order with just Char vs Skygeirr.

Make FanaticTemplar, Visions of Khas, Jconant, Robear, Hawki, and KaiseStratosTygo all revote. =p

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Then you make a thread for just that, Retlo.

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Originally Posted by FanaticTemplar

"As for my unlikely allies, I think that I shall allow them a reprieve. For in time I will seek to test their resolve, and their strengths. They will all be mine in the end, for I am the Queen of Blades."

Seems pretty clear she's going to allow them to live until the sequel.

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Yeah but even then it's still vague as to when that strike would begin, hence why Raynor was somewhat surprised in WoL when the invasion began for her to finish the job.

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Originally Posted by Turalyon

^ Read what I wrote originally and carefully. "Killed everyone eventually". I didn't write that last word offhandedly.

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Ha, well obviously that would be her intent, yes, but it wouldn't be much of a story if there weren't any wrenches thrown in ;).

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Originally Posted by RetlocLive

I think a new poll is in order with just Char vs Skygeirr.

Make FanaticTemplar, Visions of Khas, Jconant, Robear, Hawki, and KaiseStratosTygo all revote. =p

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Char versus Skygeirr? I think Char. The Prophecy arc of Wings of Liberty pretty much ruined what suspense and thrill there could be out of discovering more about the Hybrids, for me at least. If the Prophecy arc didn't exist, then Skygeirr would have had my vote.

It's incredible how they've got this classic escalation with Dark Origins, Piercing the Veil and Skygeirr, with allusions connecting it to the rest of the story in stuff like The Moebius Foundation or some of Kerrigan's dialogue in Heart of the Swarm, all competently done like professional storytellers, and they ruin it all with the Prophecy arc spoiling the reveal and killing the tension.

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Originally Posted by FanaticTemplar

Char versus Skygeirr? I think Char. The Prophecy arc of Wings of Liberty pretty much ruined what suspense and thrill there could be out of discovering more about the Hybrids, for me at least. If the Prophecy arc didn't exist, then Skygeirr would have had my vote.

It's incredible how they've got this classic escalation with Dark Origins, Piercing the Veil and Skygeirr, with allusions connecting it to the rest of the story in stuff like The Moebius Foundation or some of Kerrigan's dialogue in Heart of the Swarm, all competently done like professional storytellers, and they ruin it all with the Prophecy arc spoiling the reveal and killing the tension.

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I'm not really sure about the Piercing the Shroud Mission as an escalation. For most people who played that mission, they automatically assumed Mengsk had to be responsible for making the hybrid, though with outside help. HotS did nothing more than confirm it.

Now, on the other hand, if in HotS it was revealed that the hybrid at Castanar was something the Dominion did not make AT ALL, that's another story.

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Originally Posted by RetlocLive

I think a new poll is in order with just Char vs Skygeirr.

Make FanaticTemplar, Visions of Khas, Jconant, Robear, Hawki, and KaiseStratosTygo all revote. =p

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Okay.. probably Char, I like Stukov and all (more than one probably should 0_0) but as Rag had pointed out before, a couple of the missions were reminiscent to the original "Destroy the enemy base style thing" which is what I wished the "Destruction of Worlds" mechanic would've been.

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Originally Posted by KaiseStratosTygo

Okay.. probably Char, I like Stukov and all (more than one probably should 0_0) but as Rag had pointed out before, a couple of the missions were reminiscent to the original "Destroy the enemy base style thing" which is what I wished the "Destruction of Worlds" mechanic would've been.

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See the 2nd Char mission wasn't CRAP, but the fact still remained that you had to play it a certain way. It gets a little annoying when you play it on Hard because the moment you destroy one Gorgon, Warfield will just call another one, meaning you have to start moving to the next Scourge nest right away.

No love for Zerus?

I guess everyone hated how Blizzard retconned it from an ash world into Jurassic Park.

I didn't mind as muchas others because I can see why Blizzard opted to alter its design. It was too similar to Char and they needed something different.

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No love for Zerus?

I guess everyone hated how Blizzard retconned it from an ash world into Jurassic Park.

I didn't mind as muchas others because I can see why Blizzard opted to alter its design. It was too similar to Char and they needed something different.

I couldn't vote. There wasn't an option for "none of the above" or "the one I wrote in my head."

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Originally Posted by DonnyZeDoof

No love for Zerus?

I guess everyone hated how Blizzard retconned it from an ash world into Jurassic Park.

I didn't mind as muchas others because I can see why Blizzard opted to alter its design. It was too similar to Char and they needed something different.

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No love for Zerus?

I guess everyone hated how Blizzard retconned it from an ash world into Jurassic Park.

I didn't mind as muchas others because I can see why Blizzard opted to alter its design. It was too similar to Char and they needed something different.

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The primal Zerg concept in itself wasn't BS, it's how Blizzard tried to show them to be so sentient, that's where it fell short.

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Originally Posted by RetlocLive

I think a new poll is in order with just Char vs Skygeirr.

Make FanaticTemplar, Visions of Khas, Jconant, Robear, Hawki, and KaiseStratosTygo all revote. =p

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Skygeirr. Quite frankly I've had enough of Char. At this point lore-wise, there's no reason to ever go back to that dirtball.

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Originally Posted by Hawki

Skygeirr. Quite frankly I've had enough of Char. At this point lore-wise, there's no reason to ever go back to that dirtball.

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Then you can hope Char is the planet that explodes in the LotV trailer.

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Originally Posted by FanaticTemplar

More than Kerrigan's angelic ascension into the heavens at the very end?

I laughed out loud at that one. And I'm fully capable of accepting Raynor's weather-controlling speech powers from Wings.

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Could not have phrased that batter.

I can't decide between Char and Skygierr, so I'll just abstain from the vote and rank 'em:

1. Char/Skygierr
2. Umoja
3. Korhal
4. Space
5. Zerus
6. Kaldir

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Originally Posted by UrunOfTheAuriga

Could not have phrased that batter.

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It was something necessary for them to try to find redemption for her, though they should have thought about that at the beginning of HotS

Not sure why this thread was resurrected.

HotS sucked ass.

Saw you posted. Knew you were gonna say some variation of 'they were all the worst arc.'

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Originally Posted by Muspelli

Saw you posted. Knew you were gonna say some variation of 'they were all the worst arc.'

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Damn straight.

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Originally Posted by KaiseStratosTygo

Damn straight.

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That's BS and you know it, Stratos. That's why I've told you that you cannot judge HotS on it ALONE. You have to look at all 3 games.

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

That's BS and you know it, Stratos. That's why I've told you that you cannot judge HotS on it ALONE. You have to look at all 3 games.

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No, rag, no.

Hots is TRESH

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Originally Posted by KaiseStratosTygo

No, rag, no.

Hots is TRESH

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No, Stratos. You cannot simply judge it in itself. All 3 games have to be looked at. Her actions in destroying the Dominion military makes better sense, given what happened in LotV

"You cannot simply judge it in itself"

Sure I can!

here, I'll do it again.

Hots is TRESH

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Originally Posted by KaiseStratosTygo

"You cannot simply judge it in itself"

Sure I can!

here, I'll do it again.

Hots is TRESH

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And I'm telling you it's not that simple.

Let it go Rag. The guy thinks it's trash and he's entitled to that opinion. It's not up to you to misread his intention so that you can feel better for yourself.

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

And I'm telling you it's not that simple.

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Basically what Turalyon said.

that's entirely up to me, and me alone.

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Originally Posted by Turalyon

Let it go Rag. The guy thinks it's trash and he's entitled to that opinion. It's not up to you to misread his intention so that you can feel better for yourself.

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People tend to get frustrated when you can't change their minds