All right people, liven up, BlizzCon 2014's approaching and LotV's reveal is near!

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

Without him, the WHOLE of the Protoss presence in both games would be considered an afterthought.

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The funny and ironic thing about this statement is that the Protoss do indeed feel like an afterthought in Sc2 regardless.

I just hope they read some of the WoL feedback in time for the LoTV story to not be as awful. Would be pretty unfortunate if the entire story was set in stone from day one.

But seriously, Metzen needs to retire and/or hand over the reins to somebody who doesn't act like he's on vacation all the time.

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Originally Posted by Gradius

I just hope they read some of the WoL feedback in time for the LoTV story to not be as awful. Would be pretty unfortunate if the entire story was set in stone from day one.

But seriously, Metzen needs to retire and/or hand over the reins to somebody who doesn't act like he's on vacation all the time.

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Gradius, do you know just how much time Metzen actually looked over in the SC1 manual? Because back when Einjarhar and I talked this over, he said the guy spent like 30 min or so, maybe even less.

This is why almost the whole manual seemed to have been disregarded in the SC2 trilogy.

I wonder how much of it he actually wrote. James Phinney is the guy that's known for his lore manuals.

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Originally Posted by Gradius

I wonder how much of it he actually wrote. James Phinney is the guy that's known for his lore manuals.

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Metzen probably wrote like 1/5 of it then, maybe less?

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Originally Posted by Gradius

I just hope they read some of the WoL feedback in time for the LoTV story to not be as awful. Would be pretty unfortunate if the entire story was set in stone from day one.

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The leaked HotS (not long after Wol's release) showed us that the story was more or less set for quite some time before HotS was actually release. I don't think this will be any different.

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Originally Posted by Gradius

I wonder how much of it he actually wrote. James Phinney is the guy that's known for his lore manuals.

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Man, someone needs to get in touch with this guy to get an interview on his actual contributions to Starcraft and what his thoughts on Sc2/what he would have done storywise, had he still been involved.

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Originally Posted by Turalyon

Man, someone needs to get in touch with this guy to get an interview on his actual contributions to Starcraft and what his thoughts on Sc2/what he would have done storywise, had he still been involved.

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Ask Einjarhar.

First post here. Long time listener, first time caller.

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Originally Posted by Alex06

May or June 2014 - LotV Campaign teaser
August 2014 - LotV minor news update, interviews, new info

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I'm taking a wild stab here, I've had this hunch for a while. They are going to reveal tons of LotV info at Gamescom as they did with Reaper of Souls. I think the wait for LotV isn't going to be as long as HotS, they're going to release it next year, perhaps a beta later this year. I don't think Blizzard can afford waiting to release LotV in 2016. And with the campaign allegedly completely, they're surely not sitting on it for the competitive scene when the scene itself is really eagerly awaiting changes to some of the problems with SC2 presently.

It's either that, or they reveal a short teaser at Gamescom with more info at Blizzcon. Regardless, I'm 90% certain LotV will be at Gamescom in some fashion.

Oh that makes sense, I'll wait until Aug to find out. I'm more curious where the SC series will go AFTER LotV....

SC3 will be delayed because of WW3. Just wait and see if you're even alive after that before you start getting interested in SC3. Of course, I'm sure that, even with all of the real-life experiences to come out of that event, Blizzard will still find a way to make a completely irrelevant story with nothing to say.

Speak for yourself, Deckard. I'm more curious if Blizzard will even bother with a single player aspect AT ALL in the SC universe after LotV.

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Speak for yourself, Deckard.

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Herp de derp!

After all, they ARE focusing so much on the multiplayer aspect of everything.

Somebody needs to make a documentary about SC's rise as a respected science fiction singleplayer universe, and its inevitable demise into an abyss of loathing & mediocrity to the background of this music:



Narrated by Morgan Freeman:

"Metzen and Phinney first met at Chaos Studios, which would later become Blizzard Entertainment. This dynamic duo crafted worlds together. Following the success of titles such as Warcraft, StarCraft, and Diablo, they were inseparable. Life was good. Yet, after all the fame, money, and success, something changed. They began to drift apart. Phinney went his separate ways to work on Guild Wars. And Metzen...Metzen become lost in an alcoholic stupor of misery and self-denial. Shortly after this downward plunge, StarCraft 2 was released to the public. Its once-respected story was met with scorn and criticism. Blizzard...would never be the same again."


*fade to black

Getting a kickstarter going now. So many poor disappointed souls that that just begs for crowdfunding.

I'm sure we can splice something together with these sound bytes, like a twinkie. Like a twinkie.

Pretty good of a song, Gradius. Reminded me of back when I used to play the violin for such songs in similarity.

Raynor: Aw... my heart's breakin' for you. XD


(In response to the Morgan Freeman's eulogy of Starcraft idea)

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Originally Posted by Turalyon

Raynor: Aw... my heart's breakin' for you.

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Hey, some of us had to give that up once we reach the college level.

SC just makes me feel so dirty now. I hope LotV gets released soon so we can finally end this horror.

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SC just makes me feel so dirty now. I hope LotV gets released soon so we can finally end this horror.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

SC just makes me feel so dirty now. I hope LotV gets released soon so we can finally end this horror.

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SC just makes me feel so dirty now. I hope LotV gets released soon so we can finally end this horror.

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So SC3 can begin anew? We don't even know if there even WILL be an SC3 or not.

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

So SC3 can begin anew? We don't even know if there even WILL be an SC3 or not.

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SC3? Satan forbid. As long as Metzen is alive, at least.

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We don't even know if there even WILL be an SC3 or not.

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We don't know that the sun will come up tomorrow, but, you know ...

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

SC3? Satan forbid. As long as Metzen is alive, at least.

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Yeah well you and I both know they're not going to bother even thinking on the matter until after LotV, so raising the Q would have to wait until Blizzcon 2015 or something.

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

Yeah well you and I both know they're not going to bother even thinking on the matter until after LotV, so raising the Q would have to wait until Blizzcon 2015 or something.

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"Ok, that's the panel! QnA time, please line up here."

"Hello, I'm [...] from the fansite StarCraft Legacy. Now that you've completed the abysmal travesty of storytelling know as StarCraft 2, will you be waiting until Chris Metzen dies to write Starcraft 3, or continue trying to force his incompetent and incoherent tripe down our throats?"

... a girl can dream, can't she?

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

"Ok, that's the panel! QnA time, please line up here."

"Hello, I'm [...] from the fansite StarCraft Legacy. Now that you've completed the abysmal travesty of storytelling know as StarCraft 2, will you be waiting until Chris Metzen dies to write Starcraft 3, or continue trying to force his incompetent and incoherent tripe down our throats?"

... a girl can dream, can't she?

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The trilogy fell short, but as I stated on battlenet many times over, I don't hate it as much as so many of the other critics. If they hated it so much they never would have bought it, since they had given too little of an impression Blizzard did ANYTHING right in there.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

"Ok, that's the panel! QnA time, please line up here."

"Hello, I'm [...] from the fansite StarCraft Legacy. Now that you've completed the abysmal travesty of storytelling know as StarCraft 2, will you be waiting until Chris Metzen dies to write Starcraft 3, or continue trying to force his incompetent and incoherent tripe down our throats?"

... a girl can dream, can't she?

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1000$ to the Rambo with the swinging ballsack willing to do that. Hit me up, I'm good for it.

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

The trilogy fell short, but as I stated on battlenet many times over, I don't hate it as much as so many of the other critics. If they hated it so much they never would have bought it, since they had given too little of an impression Blizzard did ANYTHING right in there.

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7/10 of your posts on any forums you go to are just repeats of the same damn statement every time someone says they hate SC2. We get it. You like it more than us. Move the fuck on.

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If they hated it so much they never would have bought it, since they had given too little of an impression Blizzard did ANYTHING right in there.

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You have to buy the SP to get the MP, and how would you know you didn't like the SP without buying?

Either way, again, we get it, people shouldn't buy things they don't want to support, stop hammering it into our heads when we're already singing the chorus.

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Originally Posted by TheEconomist

7/10 of your posts on any forums you go to are just repeats of the same damn statement every time someone says they hate SC2. We get it. You like it more than us. Move the fuck on.

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And 10/10 of YOUR posts imply that Blizzard screwed up so badly they should all be lined against the wall and shot. Not quite the best way to inspire confidence.

About 1/10 of your posts are saying this exact thing. 1/3 of my posts to you are explaining to you that that's simply silly talk and then asking you to back up your claim with evidence. The conversation always end there. I don't even need to say "Keep this on topic" cause you're not even going to continue it anyways.

And why would I want to inspire confidence when their over-confidence is a very, very large part of the problem? Must've got your cliches mixed up.

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Originally Posted by TheEconomist

About 1/10 of your posts are saying this exact thing. 1/3 of my posts to you are explaining to you that that's simply silly talk and then asking you to back up your claim with evidence. The conversation always end there. I don't even need to say "Keep this on topic" cause you're not even going to continue it anyways.

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I don't need to continue with this part you're going off with. This is exactly why you'd raise these points at Blizzcon 2014 if you actually go there.

Damn I'm good. Mods! Change my title to the Oracle. I'm never wrong.

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Originally Posted by TheEconomist

Damn I'm good. Mods! Change my title to the Oracle. I'm never wrong.

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Such is your arrogance, Deckard. I'm curious how long before that backfires on you.

SC3 won't be released until the 2020's. Not before Warcraft 4. There's too much of a high demand for Warcraft 4, and I don't think Blizzard cares about three dev teams working on Warcraft related games.

In the mean time, we'll have our Left 2 Die FPS adaption to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by NikoMyCousin

SC3 won't be released until the 2020's. Not before Warcraft 4. There's too much of a high demand for Warcraft 4, and I don't think Blizzard cares about three dev teams working on Warcraft related games.

In the mean time, we'll have our Left 2 Die FPS adaption to look forward to.

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What proof do you have there even WILL be an SC3?

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Originally Posted by TheEconomist

I will still probably be excited for WC4. Blizzardisms don't mess with WC in the way they do the others.

Maybe, just maybe, SC2 might be the proverbial pipe dream from a crystal that showed Zeratul a possible future, and then all will be set right in SC3.

I would make a joke about how my kids will really love SC3, but SC1 will be the only SC I introduce them to.

Damnit, I'm dampening the mood again ...

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The more you say stuff, the more I like you. I agree with everything you said, particularly the mood dampening. To me, SC2 was "scream at the screen and throw things" bad, and I'm not looking forward to seeing how much they messed up my favorite race.

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

What proof do you have there even WILL be an SC3?

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Yeah, you're right. If this MOBA phase doesn't fade out, the RTS genre will. I'm pretty confident WC4 will still come out, which can be looked at as a farewell to the RTS genre by Blizzard if MOBA's do end up going out of control. I can definitely see a scenario play out where Starcraft becomes a Mass Effect flavored shooter, complete with daily quests!

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Originally Posted by NikoMyCousin

Yeah, you're right. If this MOBA phase doesn't fade out, the RTS genre will. I'm pretty confident WC4 will still come out, which can be looked at as a farewell to the RTS genre by Blizzard if MOBA's do end up going out of control. I can definitely see a scenario play out where Starcraft becomes a Mass Effect flavored shooter, complete with daily quests!

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I may not go into the SC genre if it's turn to RPG

Mass effect and Starcraft would actually be pure win. Kind of like story mode done right.

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Originally Posted by Gradius

Mass effect and Starcraft would actually be pure win. Kind of like story mode done right.

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Tell that to bioware for ME4.

I'm pretty sure that changing genres to something like Mass Effect would not only IMPROVE the story but is probably it's only hope. Not that an RTS can't do story telling right but it seams that Blizzard just can't do it anymore. An SP shooter means that they'll HAVE to focus on the story and give it the respect it deserves, on top of it simply being a better way to tell the story.

In fact, the more I think about it, the better it sounds. Blizzard can do their best to make the RTS SP engaging and fail miserably, but that's okay, because then we can just jump over to the StarCraft RPG/FPS and have a decent story telling medium. Of course, that still requires Blizzard to have a decent frame work for the story but that's less of a problem once the constraints of the RTS genre and the SC2 engine are removed, not to mention the freed up resources saved from having to worry about the MP.

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Originally Posted by ragnarok

Tell that to bioware for ME4.

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Why? They know their shit enough that we don't need to tell them anything.