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Nissa
The prophecies of "He Who Shall Ruin Computer Gaming Forever and Run Away with Vast Sums of Money"? I've heard that one. It ends with him getting bludgeoned to death by nerds with obsolete computers.
That's how it is with plenty of companies: it's all about money in your pocket, nothing more...
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ragnarok
That's how it is with plenty of companies: it's all about money in your pocket, nothing more...
While I don't necessarily disagree with your statement, I have a hard time believing that this sort of thing will last forever. People will get scared off from games that have no substance. I won't pay for Starcraft 2 (or much any game at this point), Econ up there has given up on WoW, and really only the younger people who don't know any better are the ones that buy games....huh, which may explain why game companies aren't trying anymore. Their target market has switched to those who have undiscriminating tastes, and haven't grown up with the stuff we did.
Anyway, my main point was that this is going to bite companies in the butt sooner or later. Like the American Auto industry 60 or so years ago. Our car companies started making lower quality cars that needed maintenance more often -- and that's what introduced the American public to Japanese cars. The Japanese were trying, so they got the money.
In other words, this seems like a more cyclical thing of endeavoring to coasting to laziness, then back to endeavoring.
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... and so the cycle repeats itself once more... the Xel'Naga of business are returning...
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... and so the cycle repeats itself once more... the Xel'Naga of business are returning...
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Compared to EA, Bethesda/ZeniMax, and even Riot, Activision hasn't been that bad.
I swear it isn't stockholm syndrome
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How dare you insult Bethesda.
FUS ROH DOH!
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How dare you insult Bethesda.
FUS ROH DOH!
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Our car companies started making lower quality cars that needed maintenance more often -- and that's what introduced the American public to Japanese cars. The Japanese were trying, so they got the money.
A common misunderstanding that carries on today in the Germany vs PIIGS arguments of today. Without going into complex economic thought, I'll just say that these things were a symptom of things completely outside of the auto industry that, in the end, resulted in the stagnation and ungodly amounts of debt that Japan now has. A problem that China, Brazil and somewhat India, have now taken to an even ungodlier amount and will soon be paying out the ass for it.
The rest I'll somewhat agree with though. For one thing, things like kickstarters and indie games are getting more and more popular by the year and getting more and more funding and complexity. As time goes on they'll be competing more and more directly and successfully with AAA games. That being said, "dumb" games have always been taken the lion share of profits. The only difference between now and the past is that the "dumb" games of the past now have special places in our hearts (Mario, Sonic, Megaman, etc.) and the new ones don't. Call of Duty, for all the dumb-assness of it is far more complex than the vast majority of SNES classics.
The biggest loss was in the smaller genres of PC games (RTS, RPGs, etc) which required more and more funding but reached a limit in the max selling price a long time ago. For me, though, I find hope in kickstarters and other things for these genres. Half the time I'm more exciting for an indie game or a kickstarter than a full retail game.
There will be a rebalancing though. I assure you that games today are not raking in the dough like some of the people here thing. Just because a game sells millions and millions doesn't mean it make a lot of money. It could have even been a loss like with Tomb Raider which sold 5 million copies but was still a disappointment. Gamers have demanded more and more technology in their games, which is incredibly expensive, but refuse to pay more than 60$ (understandably, I never pay more than 20$). The reconning was delayed with things like DLC, and could be extended a bit further with new models like F2P, but, some day, there will be a rebalancing as there always is. You can see a lot of parallels between the video game industry of today and the movie industry before its first big bust.
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[QUOTE=DemolitionSquid;193921]How dare you insult Bethesda.
FUS ROH DOH!
I'm still really salty about the metacritic contract. Obviously Obsidian agreed to those terms, but including that in the first place just seems really unsettling me.
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Re: So I think by now everyone knows I hated the story, but what about gameplay?
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Nissa
While I don't necessarily disagree with your statement, I have a hard time believing that this sort of thing will last forever. People will get scared off from games that have no substance. I won't pay for Starcraft 2 (or much any game at this point), Econ up there has given up on WoW, and really only the younger people who don't know any better are the ones that buy games....huh, which may explain why game companies aren't trying anymore. Their target market has switched to those who have undiscriminating tastes, and haven't grown up with the stuff we did.
Anyway, my main point was that this is going to bite companies in the butt sooner or later. Like the American Auto industry 60 or so years ago. Our car companies started making lower quality cars that needed maintenance more often -- and that's what introduced the American public to Japanese cars. The Japanese were trying, so they got the money.
In other words, this seems like a more cyclical thing of endeavoring to coasting to laziness, then back to endeavoring.
That's true, but at the same time it depends on the laziness of the audience.
This is something I've seen in working companies all the times. You can have bosses who abuse their power, no one denies that, but you can only go so far before your employees will call it quits. There's a line you can't cross.
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TheEconomist
How very insightful.
You know it's true, Deckard. You can argue the "rule through fear" concept all you want, but that DOES have its limitations. Even the most cruel dictators know they're only human, and therefore there's limits to what they can do....
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You make me see things in a way I never have before.
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TheEconomist
You make me see things in a way I never have before.
And that's considered good or bad?
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I would be lost with you.
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TheEconomist
I would be lost with you.
Lost in his eyes, you mean.
....I swear that was a good joke in my head.
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I get it and it was witty. I usually get the jokes that no one else does so have no fear going out on a limb around me.
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Nissa
Lost in his eyes, you mean.
....I swear that was a good joke in my head.
Yeah well I don't exactly have a funny bone to be humored by it.
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ragnarok
Yeah well I don't exactly have a funny bone to be humored by it.
I'll vouch for that. Ragnarok never, ever laughs. Its creepy.
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I, too, was picking up a bit of mild autism from Rag.
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DemolitionSquid
I'll vouch for that. Ragnarok never, ever laughs. Its creepy.
What's so creepy about that? You're acting like I'm the first person you've ever come across who doesn't have a sense of humor.
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ragnarok
What's so creepy about that? You're acting like I'm the first person you've ever come across who doesn't have a sense of humor.
You are though. Even a bad sense of humor is better than no sense.
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DemolitionSquid
You are though. Even a bad sense of humor is better than no sense.
Remember what I told you on skype: when you're raised in a family of oppression, those things tend to be in short supply.
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ragnarok
Remember what I told you on skype: when you're raised in a family of oppression, those things tend to be in short supply.
Oh please. As if you're the only one who's gone through something terribleh. I've been shot, stabbed, beaten with bats and pipes, and done pretty much every illegal substance you can name because I've experienced things that make "faces of death" look like like fucking Treehouse.
AND I CAN STILL JOKE ABOUT IT. SO LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP.
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DemolitionSquid
Oh please. As if you're the only one who's gone through something terribleh. I've been shot, stabbed, beaten with bats and pipes, and done pretty much every illegal substance you can name because I've experienced things that make "faces of death" look like like fucking Treehouse.
AND I CAN STILL JOKE ABOUT IT. SO LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP.
Somehow I doubt you are serious about such things. It's just a difference between us.
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ragnarok
Somehow I doubt you are serious about such things. It's just a difference between us.
I am always 100% cereal.
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DemolitionSquid
I am always 100% cereal.
Right. I'm not getting further into this.
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@Ragnarok:
Hardships usually make a person have a better sense of humor to cope, just look at comedians. I know it did for me. So stop with the excuses. I hate that.
@Squibb: You're either bullshitting or you're one of those damn annoying crackheads always interrupting conversations demanding to suck somebody's dick for a crack rock, until they get shot. Either way, the fact that I've managed to have never been harmed in one of the most dangerous stretches of land in the developed world, and you managed to get yourself shot in one of the safest, says a whole fucking lot about the difference between us in terms of intelligence and mannerisms. As if that didn't already show enough.
Also, drugs are for people who can't trip out on their own. Learn to control your mind bro, seriously.
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I thought we went over this. In school I was basically universally reviled for my high intelligence and was beaten up by a mob pretty much every single day. The few "friends" I had used me constantly and gave me access to drugs to keep me complacent and numb the psychological and physical trauma they subjected me to. I still have connections to both the Triad and MS-13. I finally managed to break free of that bullshit and pull myself together, but it has left unrepairable scars on my being.
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I have 10% of a sense of humor left. The Illuminati only removed most of it.
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Gradius
I'm not quite following that, Gradius.
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http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...b/The_Mole.gif
Seriously though, your perseption of life is pretty much good or bad depending on the contrast between your scope of success and your true reality.
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Well as I was telling Demo on skype the other day, I'm still on the job hunt myself, hence why I still have a negative perception.
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In school I was basically universally reviled for my high intelligence and was beaten up by a mob pretty much every single day.
No, as I said before, that is just what you tell yourself. You were not hated for your intelligence. That is your excuse and it is your tendency to make excuses that has ruined your life beyond your ability to wrap your brain around. Where are you academic awards? Where is your successful career? What have you ever predicted? Who comes to you for knowledge? Be honest with yourself. It's that brutal honesty that makes you better.
You are not abnormally intelligent. I have proven that time and time again. They say that the higher your IQ is the more you seek out things which challenge you. Well, while you're doing nothing but complaining, I've read close to a thousand economics books in a few short years and absorbed more information in a month than you will in your entire life. Not for personal gain but just to quiet my mind which is difficult to control. I tested an IQ of 145 in elementary school. I am smarter than you and I was universally loved in school and all the way through recently until I stopped caring about social interaction because it takes up too much time.
Not as if intelligence means shit anyways, I was a fucking failure too through high school until I got my shit together. What successful traits I have are entirely unrelated to my intelligence. In fact, my intelligence is nothing but a hassle that needs constant tinkering with because it is so unwieldy to have.
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I still have connections to both the Triad and MS-13.
Bull-fucking-shit
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The Illuminati only removed most of it.
Surely that's a joke but, with the weird shit that just took, I have to ask. usrs?
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No, as I said before, that is just what you tell yourself. You were not hated for your intelligence. That is your excuse and it is your tendency to make excuses that has ruined your life beyond your ability to wrap your brain around.
There is truth in this. People will typically see their greatest perceived strength as being the envy of others when they feel victimized. It's both natural but immature. Me? Yeah, I was pretty smart in school, but I was also socially inept and came from a troubled background, so I naturally thought to myself, "Ya'll are just jealous of my intelligence." Whether or not that was the case was entirely separate from the reality of the situation.
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Where are you ACADEMIC awards? Where is your successful career?
Intelligence does not a successful career make. Persistence, dedication, strong social base and network are often times more important than sheer intelligence.
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Seriously though, your perseption of life is pretty much good or bad depending on the contrast between your scope of success and your true reality.
Sometimes this is true, sometimes not. One really neat trick to help one's self with motivation and career-oriented problems is pavlovian training. Me, I'll force myself to smile when working out and eat sweets afterwards to treat myself. Now I fucking love it. The same methods can be used for other aspects in life. :)
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Intelligence does not a successful career make. Persistence, dedication, strong social base and network are often times more important than sheer intelligence.
Refer to third block of text. I agree with you. In fact, I might be a bit more successful if I weren't so "intelligent" because I wouldn't need to spend so much damn time catering to my mind so that I can function on real life work. But, again, intelligence is so relative and unquantifiable as to be a meaningless statement.
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Refer to third block of text. I agree with you. In fact, I might be a bit more successful if I weren't so "INTELLIGENT" because I wouldn't need to spend so much damn time catering to my mind so that I can function on real life work. But, again, intelligence is so relative and quantifiable as to be a meaningless statement.
I gotcha, my bad.
I think, much of the time, people who are intelligent and know it tend to become indolent, a little lazy and self-absorbed. This pit of stagnation I think is their biggest obstacle to success.
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TheEconomist
[Insert rambling drivel]
You can think whatever you want about me, but you know nothing John Snow.
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Visions of Khas
I think, much of the time, people who are intelligent and know it tend to become indolent, a little lazy and self-absorbed. This pit of stagnation I think is their biggest obstacle to success.
I'll say that's a fairly accurate assessment of me. My problem has always been "what do you do when you can do anything?" For me, the answer simply became "nothing."
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To be fair to Demo, it's actually fairly likely that beautiful, not particularly intelligent people get lazy and self-absorbed. 'S why not so many head cheerleaders and star athletes in high school don't turn out as successful as others.
And no, Econ, no drugs. Just an alternate worldview and a whole lot of synaesthesia. I'm actually scared of doing drugs, because I know it'll make my head worse. Apparently some drugs even create synaesthetic reactions, and I don't want to be entrenched even worse in my own imagination.
