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So...for those that actually still get around to playing WoW despite its mutilated lore, how was the Garrosh raid? I haven't truly played it since midway through Cataclysm, and I don't plan to return to WoW anytime soon, but seeing how this was something Blizzard has been hyping up since forever, I figured it would be interesting to ask about it.
Vol'jin is apparently the new Warchief.
I have never played WoW myself, but a friend is currently in lockdown "raiding". WoW has never been a lore game. An extensive, bonding and entertaining community is what created WoW as we know it.
How ironic; From what I've seen on B.Net, WoWs hardly got a community nowadays. Every new patch just seems to increase anonymity, having the game run rampant with trolls and whatnot; especially when they implemented Raid Finder awhile back.Quote:
An extensive, bonding and entertaining community is what created WoW as we know it.
As for the 5.4 patch; For Alliance, Varian just kinda walked away and allowed the Horde a chance to rebuild with Jaina wanting to continue the war...I guess at some point down the line, Jainas going to become a raid boss. lol
Wow, I really need to bone up on my WC lore. I have no idea what's going on anymore. And I actually enjoyed War3's story.Quote:
Originally Posted by RetlocLive
Same. The lore is all a blur to me ever since Arthas' defeat. Sure I played "some" of Cataclysm, but I hardly paid attention to the lore other then Sylvannas going all Lich King in the Lordaeron starting zones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gradius
This however, was one of those "one time" deals just to see if all the hype surrounding this particular WoW patch paid off. The Raid Boss doesn't actually die off for once so I guess that's something.
Garrosh's trial seems to be next on the list. (Cue obvious redemption arc)
WarCraft lore post-WC3 is basically indecipherable. At least you can't tell when its awful. Probably seems deep and complex like an anime or a PSX Final Fantasy simply because it takes some serious intelligence to peice it all together.
Oh, that's good. Having never touched WoW, I guess there hasn't really been much to be missing out on then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheEconomist
Even MoP's plot isn't that indecipherable, even though you need to constantly do dailies to unlock quests relevant to the plot. WoW's plot and WarCraft's lore is very simple to understand.
One of the reasons there's trolls is because the 'non-troll' community and the game itself is so god-damn boring these days. The only fun thing to do in the game these days is to queue in Raid Finder and to run in and pull the boss screaming this. The last time I played as a subscriber -- months ago, the game was a graveyard on high-pop servers, with low-pop servers -- completely dead.Quote:
WoWs hardly got a community nowadays. Every new patch just seems to increase anonymity, having the game run rampant with trolls and whatnot; especially when they implemented Raid Finder awhile back.
As for the raid, it's way too easy.
WoW's lore is pretty simple...sometimes *too* simple. In addition to there being supplement material in books that are not directly mentioned in the gamed (merely referenced), its hard to sometime connect A to B.
Wrath of the lich king content is a good example of what I mean, as Mists is a lot more elaborate and thorough in presenting the story arc through multiple venues. Arthas the lich king launches a plague on the rest of Azeroth (wow event prior to the release of the expansion), so the Alliance and Horde launch a campaign to northrend to stop him once and for all. At just about every turn in Northrend, Arthas is there goding you to delve deeper to Icecrown. As you do you learn a lot of different of different facets that tie to the lichking: the clash between him and yog sarron, Arthas' origins, more detail on the origin of humans and dwarves.
But then you have a character like Rhonin (the mary sue 1.0 of warcraft) appear as the leader of the kirin tor, and has no introduction, no presence really from previous expansions or reference to who he is. Only players who read the background books (scattered in INNs) referencing events authored by Knaak would know who he is. Then he vanishes in MoP, as Jaina Proudmoore is seen as the new leader of the Kirin Tor.
There is a lot of content laid in the game that sometimes just isn't presented clearly; a lot is dependent on the player being attentive to details, and as much as it is fun to find little gems hidden in the game and unearth knowledge, it isnt really good design to leave players guessing at why they are there.
WoW has its flaws but I still think its Blizzard's best written story atm.
I'd have to agree. Like I've said before, somehow Blizzard's tropes and cliches tend to be much more interesting in a high fantasy setting than say, dark fantasy or science fiction. Kerrigan x Raynor would've been a legitimate storyline in WarCraft, in StarCraft it's just hellbound blasphemy.
Quite so, but a lot of the clichés in StarCraft almost seem to have a semi-ironic, lampshaded nature to them. Like how the Battle for the Amerigo is a bit like a B-movie horror, but its' a parody of it. So clichés are excusable when they're sort of self-aware.
Yeah, if you weren't around when an expansion was the present one, then the story will make far less sense. One reason? You'll likely do a few quests, battleground, dungeon finder, then move past the expansion fast without doing many story-relevant quests.Quote:
its hard to sometime connect A to B.
Wrath of the lich king content is a good example of what I mean,
But regarding Wrath, hm... You would have to have done a lot of stuff in vanilla to understand it, including Naxxramas, the hardest raid of vanilla. You'd have to do Tirion Fordring's quest-line in the Plaguelands.
But strangely, Naxxramas 40 (the one with Alexandrios Mograine and the Corrupted Ashbringer) was removed in Wrath, whilst Fordring's old-quest line was removed in Cata. So it makes it even harder to understand Wrath's storyline. In addition, you'd have to create a Death Knight character and play through the DK starting quests.
But something interesting to note is that if you'd done Naxxramas, it'll be more confusing when you see Darion Mograine with the Corrupted Ashbringer, and you'll wonder, 'how did he get it?' It's a bit like how if you play Resurrection IV you will be more confused at why Stukov was captive and infested.
^ Gobbledy-gook passing for story? Well I never! :p
Well, if the next expansion revealed where Turalyon and Alleria are, would you play it?
Nah, MMO's aren't my thing. Besides, even if I was hanging out for a piece of lore I was dying to see (which I hardly ever), I'll feel like I'd have been missing out too much in order to catch up to it. That and I can't be bothered.
The deathknight starting questline I think was enough to point out that Darion is Hightlord Morgaine's son, and as such inherited ashbringer when we, the players slayed him in vanilla naxxramas. For more thorough background on Morgraine and the ashbringer though, you'd have to explore the instanced dungeon of old Hillsbrad, where you rescue Thrall and/or read the comic book "Ashbringer"
Indeed, WoW's storytelling is a bit like Half-Life 2 where it entrusts you to figure out the story.