The Complete History of StarCraft II Changes

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Originally Posted by Santrega

No, i'm not confusing them. My point is that Civilians serving in war are not called marines, they are called civilians still. Just because you are a in a war, doesn't mean you are a trained combatant. Civilians were the ones who took care of the technical aspect of the terran force, which is because they were the smart ones. Marine's in Starcraft don't have the technical mindset to sit and monitor equipment. This is why they are marines, and frontline soldiers, rather than pilots for example. Turrets are considered to be automated missile turrets, the problem is I believe they have a Civilian inside to make sure the equipment works.

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There aren't civilians involved in military operations. Not even the engineers, and certainly not the pilots, not even the cargo ones. That doesn't means that people operating any kind of equipment are raw soldiers without any kind of special training. Take a look at this for a list of all specialities under the Marines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rine_Corps_MOS

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

There aren't civilians involved in military operations. Not even the engineers, and certainly not the pilots, not even the cargo ones. That doesn't means that people operating any kind of equipment are raw soldiers without any kind of special training. Take a look at this for a list of all specialities under the Marines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rine_Corps_MOS

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You win, I was completely wrong. Marines are definitely whats manning those turrets. There is absolutely no way a terran civilian could be in the turret. Also, any military member is called a "marine" just as DS said.

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Originally Posted by Caliban113

HA!! - Thanks!

Mahn, I go away (uncharacteristically, mind you) for a few hours, and look whut happinz.

Thats from an old thread on the Blizzforums about whether or not there was somebody actually manning the turret - the wire frame (and even the model) appears to have sombody inside; there are clearly a little pair of 'legs' hanging from the 'seat' - Anyway, long story short, endless thread - half for - half against.......which really ended up being half joking.....half not getting the joke.

Truth is, no one in there....but the idea of a little missile turret, 'dude' just wildly spinning away waiting for battle against a sky full of Mutas was just too funny.

The pic is a still from some old footage of a Russian test pilot going through G force training - I wanted to loop the video in the sig, but no go.

.....and there we have it. :)


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You're welcome. I always thought your signature was full of lulz.

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Originally Posted by Caliban113

http://sclegacy.com/forums/image.php...ine=1242065640So....Many...........Mutas....

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rofl:D:D:D

http://www.mocpages.com/user_bricksh....jpg_THUMB.jpg
Holy shit! they must be kidding to have put a guy in the spinning part of the missile turret! I always thought Missile turret's were at least remote controlled by the crew from command centers! It must be a joke like the fish in the Inmortal's tank!



Anyways, I want Blizzard to confirm this issue, in fact I want them to confirm lots of things. For instance, real life unit's size. I remember a thread in which Pandonetho was asking for the size of the Mutalisks... this is what I answered thus killing the discussion:

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Originally Posted by Josue

Have you seen this page?

I wish Blizzard made something like that!
We don't have much information about unit sizes other than this:
SC1 Unit Stats:
Protoss

Terran

Zerg

Here, the only clue we can get is that Mutalisk's size is "S" which must be "small" while Wraith and Scout are "L" which must stand for "large"

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And this is the last post, mine, the last: the wish punished:

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Originally Posted by Josue

All this just returns us the main question:
How big is big?
I think we must ask Blizzard for official information, we are just making conjectures without reaching the real truth behind the wide variety of "evidence" all the cinematics, pictures, etc represent.

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no need to close "/thread" , nobody has posted on that thread again. (at least untill today 08/10/09)
I hereby propose we ask Blizzard for official information.

In game unit size classifications are not indicative of size at all. It's merely a gameplay mechanic.

Mutalisks are classified as small, so are marines. A 3 size classification is in no way any indication of the size of something.

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Originally Posted by Josue

http://www.mocpages.com/user_bricksh....jpg_THUMB.jpg

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Holy efin shit..... Omg thats real???? There is really somebody there????? WTFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!! Is this on the SC Lore too???? Is this mentioned???????

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Originally Posted by Santrega

You win, I was completely wrong. Marines are definitely whats manning those turrets. There is absolutely no way a terran civilian could be in the turret. Also, any military member is called a "marine" just as DS said.

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This isn't about winning a discussion, this is about reaching the right conclusion, when that's possible.

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Originally Posted by KadajSouba

Holy efin shit..... Omg thats real???? There is really somebody there????? WTFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!! Is this on the SC Lore too???? Is this mentioned???????

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I think it's a joke. There's not even need for the missile to rotate, not to mention the operator :). The radar is the only thing that needs to rotate.

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Originally Posted by josue

http://www.mocpages.com/user_bricksh....jpg_THUMB.jpg

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Everything must be rewritten.

You guys don't seem to read everything...

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

In game unit size classifications are not indicative of size at all. It's merely a gameplay mechanic.

Mutalisks are classified as small, so are marines. A 3 size classification is in no way any indication of the size of something.

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I know, it's just the few information we have. we lack of real info.

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Originally Posted by Josue

I hereby propose we ask Blizzard for official information.

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Don't you agree?

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Originally Posted by KadajSouba

Holy efin shit..... Omg thats real???? There is really somebody there????? WTFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!! Is this on the SC Lore too???? Is this mentioned???????

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Like Norfindel says , I hope it's just a joke, similar to the fish in the Inmortal's tank.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

This isn't about winning a discussion, this is about reaching the right conclusion, when that's possible.

I think it's a joke. There's not even need for the missile to rotate, not to mention the operator :). The radar is the only thing that needs to rotate.

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I think the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Draco

Everything must be rewritten.

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We must ask Blizzard first!
I want an official explanation to the Missile Turret Issue.
I want them to give official sizes to each and every single unit including ships, buildings and everything in the Campaign Editor.

Has any of you seen this page? STARSHIP DIMENSIONS
Once again I must say

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Originally Posted by Josue

I hereby propose we ask Blizzard for official information.

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Originally Posted by Nicol Bolas

We have - Reapers: now have D-8 charges. They are built from the Merc Haven, with special mechanics.

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Was it this point where they appeared 4 at a time at a Merc Haven, and could be 'hired"? - (Potentially, all at once?) - then were replaced after a cooldown?

I was kind of looking forward to that actually, too bad they couldn't make it work.

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Was it this point where they appeared 4 at a time at a Merc Haven, and could be 'hired"? - (Potentially, all at once?) - then were replaced after a cooldown?

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I forget the exact way it worked, but it was something like that.

I could've sworn the Firebat was not available at BlizzCon 2007, but only later, in fall.

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Originally Posted by Alex06

I could've sworn the Firebat was not available at BlizzCon 2007, but only later, in fall.

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Firebats definitely weren't at BlizzCon 2007. I think they appeared in fall or winter 2008 (to early 2009) but were replaced by marauders by March 2008.

Fixed.

BTW guys, at the July press event, I made it a point to zoom close up on the missile turrets, and yes, there is a person in there. With the graphics of the original game, there's no detail so it's hard to tell, but with the new graphics, it's plainly obvious that there is a person in there. Sorry, no screenshots until the beta's out, so you'll have to take my word on it.

Great, this'll be SC's inside joke....like cows in Diablo.

There is no, 'Missile-turret-guy' level. :)


700!

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Originally Posted by Zero

BTW guys, at the July press event, I made it a point to zoom close up on the missile turrets, and yes, there is a person in there. With the graphics of the original game, there's no detail so it's hard to tell, but with the new graphics, it's plainly obvious that there is a person in there. Sorry, no screenshots until the beta's out, so you'll have to take my word on it.

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It's also clear in the original SC1, as other user pointed "once you see it, it's quite hard not to recognize it!"

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and I used to think it was the turret's radar antenna... heck it was his leg! the turret's guy's leg! Blizzard pulling my leg for almost 10 years!

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Originally Posted by Caliban113

Great, this'll be SC's inside joke....like cows in Diablo.

There is no, 'Missile-turret-guy' level. :)


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hey! I never played diablo, does it have anything to do with "there is no cow level"? if it has, could you explain it to me please?
About the turret one, I keep hopes it will be as you say: the SC's inside joke, like the fish in the Immortal's tank.

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Originally Posted by Josue

It's also clear in the original SC1, as other user pointed "once you see it, it's quite hard not to recognize it!"

and I used to think it was the turret's radar antenna... heck it was his leg! the turret's guy's leg! Blizzard pulling my leg for almost 10 years!

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I don't see the guy... Where is he?

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Originally Posted by Haptic

I don't see the guy... Where is he?

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If you can't see it in the picture I posted, try comparing it with the wire frame I posted earlier. he is in the same place!:eek:

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Originally Posted by Josue

It's also clear in hey! I never played diablo, does it have anything to do with "there is no cow level"? if it has, could you explain it to me please?

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I don't remember all the details, but it started as a phony rumor about a secret level in the original Diablo. Something about clicking on a cow a million times in order to access it. This site has some decent info.

http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/The_Secret_Cow_Level