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@Hawki: No. Just no.
@Gradius: YYEEEESSSSSSS!!
I liked Predators 2. Not nearly as good as the original, but it was still pretty good.Quote:
And what about Predator 2? Is it bad as well by virtue of not being like the original?
To keep my response to your argument short and simple, none of that gets your testosterone pumping. Therefore, it fails. Miserably. And, no, the characters were not interesting. If you're going to replace the greatness of Arnold, Apollo, and Jesse Ventura, then you going to need some fucking AWE-MAAAAZZEING characters. Predators characters are barely passable at a time when characters in actions films are shit.
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So, by your own logic, Predator failed as well, by virtue of not getting my testosterone pumping either? Don't want to be snarky, but I think it's a poor measure of how good a film is, even an action one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TychusFindlay
And to be frank, good actors does not necessary equal good characters, and vice versa. Taking Ventura as an example, I can't comment on him as an actor in the same way as Arnold or Apollo for instance, but Blain basically fell into the same realm of blandness as the other soldiers. He gets a memorable line ("ain't got time to bleed") but that doesn't equal a memorable character.
And just to reiterate, based on past comments, remember, I do agree that Predator is the superior film. I just feel that Predators is superior in some respects.
You are not a man. I pity you.Quote:
Predator failed as well, by virtue of not getting my testosterone pumping either?
Of course, I should have known that was coming given the estrogen-esque critiquing of the film you've been doing. Explaining to you why Predator is greatness is like explaining to women why men argue about sports. You have to be a man to get it and you've been doing nothing but missing the point since the first post.
That's half-sarcasm, but still a true point. Let's agree to disagree.
He exudes badassery, which was his purpose. Which was all of their purposes. Perfect example of the point just flying over your head.Quote:
Blain basically fell into the same realm of blandness as the other soldiers.
Man or not, I can at least take part in a conversation that doesn't descend to petty insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by TychusFindlay
And what are we even discussing/disagreeing about anyway? You don't have to explain "why Predator is greatness" because I agree that it's greatness. It's not greatness without flaws, but I think it's a good movie all the same. Better than Predators. And I don't think gender has anything to do with it, unless you're objecting to Predators having a strong female character as opposed to Predator having a female character that feels like baggage.
Yes, they exude basassery. It works to the film's advantage, because it shows a psychological progression for the soldiers, going from trigger happy in the helicopter to rebel base sequence, where it all falls apart for them when confronted by a superior enemy. There's a point, and again, it does it well, especially with Dutch at the end, having to become more animal than man to defeat the yautja. Almost Lord of the Flies-esqueQuote:
Originally Posted by Tychus Findlay
However, it is still possible to have badass characters that are badass, and still have character. Using Aliens as an example, the marines start off trigger happy, and lose their psychological edge in the terraformer when they first encounter the xenomorphs. However, the surviving marines (Hudson, Vasquez, Hicks and Gorman) are still individual characters with different personalities, and even before the fight, character was established (Apone stands as the best example). The characters of Predator, while strong as a group, aren't as strong as individuals bar Dutch and arguably Dillon.
Of course, this is all opinion. It seems redundant to discuss Predator at all, when I agree that it's a good movie, and better than Predators. Me considering the third installment decent seems to be the main point of contention here. And I do consider it decent, just not as good as the first (haven't seen the second, so can't comment).
Yes ... but no.Quote:
It works to the film's advantage, because it shows a psychological progression for the soldiers
I said it was half-sarcasm, therefore, not a real insult; more of a satire to demonstrate a point without lots of text.Quote:
I can at least take part in a conversation that doesn't descend to petty insults.
Like I said, agree to disagree :DQuote:
It seems redundant to discuss Predator at all, when I agree that it's a good movie
*Writes that one down*Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
My guess? It's because the Nostromo is just an ore hauler, while the Prometheus is a special-built research vessel. The difference would be similar to the difference between the food processing plant I worked in and the REC Silicon quality control labs next door.*Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
Applying the vast store of knowledge I have gleaned about extraterrestrial meteorology while scanning for minerals**, I would say that since LV-426 is not tidally locked to its star, the weather is allowed to vary a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
Or maybe it could be some form of weather control? I mean, if there's a planet with windstorms raging all over it, except for one area out in the open that's as calm as the eye of the storm, that's going to draw people in.
Like the thermal beacon in AVP.***
There's a picture floating around of a human standing next to the Jockey's seat, and the Space Jockey is definitely smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
That might have been a production photo, though, so camera tricks might make the thing larger.
Why just one? There's room for more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
Yeah, pretty much this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
To be honest, I enjoyed Predators more than the first movie, even if I did have some problems with it.
I told you about the guy in Hastings, right? Complaining about how Lord of the Rings was lauded as a masterpiece when it ripped off everything that came before it. And they had the gall to hire some hack writer to novelize them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
Characters are probably where AVP was weakest. I did an experiment, cut out the scenes where the archaeologist was dropping exposition or flirting with Lex. Better movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
Sad to say, I thought that Grid had more personality than some of the secondary characters.
Better and warmer. I like the way they started a hunt in "Predators" better. No worries about staying hidden from the population of Earth at large, no questions asked about unexplained nuclear explosions when the Hunt goes south.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
"And I also forgive you for that cruel prank you pulled on me with the dead xenomorph." *5*Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
As if the GridXLex fics weren't bad enough...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawki
Does anyone else suspect that Grid hatched from that chick with the short, blond hair?
Hmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by TychusFindlay
I get a feeling that, if I go back in your archived posts far enough, I'll find a post lamenting how manhood for the sake of manhood is declining in social acceptance. Or perhaps an argument that even if a CMC suit augments its wearer's strength, there must be a minimum threshold of strength to use it, which would be above what the average woman can handle.*6*
Or perhaps you never made either of those claims. Memory is a tricky bugger, heh?
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*Yeah, there was a silicon refinery right next to one of Washington State's largest food processing plants. Cheap hydroelectric power makes for strange bedfellows.
**I did two full playthroughs of ME2 before updating and getting that minigame patched.
***(****)OK, I can understand how the Predators lured victims to the temple in 2004, and they got lucky in 1904. What about 1804 and earlier? Did they just kidnap people? And even if Aztecs did use the base-ten number system (Which they didn't >.<) did they measure time in minutes?
****PS: Discworld rocks!
*5*Yeah, unless you've seen that deleted scene, that's not going to make a whole lot of sense. Still funny as Hell.
*6*Which would only be sadder if this was after the release of "I, Mengsk", and the argument was that Graham had got his facts wrong.
Feel free to, though I will admit that the phrase came from a YouTube video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirel
True, but even disgarding the vessels themselves, the Prometheus crew seems to have access to better equipment such as stasis pods and environmental suits. There's indeed the question of funding, but if Weyland Industries could afford such high-tech equipment for an expedition based on scientific curiosity, one would assume they could do the same for a crew hauling millions worth in ore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirel
Except Archeron is a moon, not a planet, so tidal locking seems moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirel
Thing I do remember vaguely, and not sure if it's from the film or novelization, is that the Nostromo landed on a side of the planet opposite the sun. That could account for weather differences, and with little heat retention, that would allow for some crazy shifts in temperature.
Maybe...I can see it being possible. Not sure if it lures them in though, as judging from trailers, it's symbology on Earth that apparently points them to Zeta II Reticuli.Quote:
Or maybe it could be some form of weather control? I mean, if there's a planet with windstorms raging all over it, except for one area out in the open that's as calm as the eye of the storm, that's going to draw people in.
Like the thermal beacon in AVP.***
True, but I'd be content with one. It seems that some of the crew get implanted (from the trailer, "cut it out!" is screamed a few times), so one mala'kak-based xenomorph should suffice.Quote:
Why just one? There's room for more.
Sounds vaguely familiar, but I forget the exact details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirel
BTW, I've turned away from Morgoth. I've now gone straight to Illuvatar demanding an explanation why he left the race of Men with such a capacity for stupidity.:confused:
And allowing their weaponry to fall into 'ooman hands as well (assuming the nuclear reference is to Requiem, not including the mini-nuke in Predator.Quote:
Better and warmer. I like the way they started a hunt in "Predators" better. No worries about staying hidden from the population of Earth at large, no questions asked about unexplained nuclear explosions when the Hunt goes south.
Certainly wondered how that nuke would go down in the international community. The day when the meme "kill it with fire" was applied on the official level...:rolleyes:
Haven't seen them myself. And I consider myself lucky in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirel
Hadn't given it much thought myself. She kind of just struck me as a vague, hardly adequate explanation as to why the team had firearms, and has some kind of throwback/throw-forward to Lambert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirel
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