Oslo Bombing/Shooting

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Norway Terror Attacks Toll Upped to 87: Norwegian Man Arrested

At least 80 people were killed in a shooting at a youth camp on the Norwegian island of Utoya the second of two attacks blamed on a Norwegian suspect authorities have not identified, police said.

Police confirmed that they had arrested a Norwegian man for the attack on a summer youth camp, and that they believed the same man was responsible for the bombing in central Oslo several hours earlier that claimed at least seven lives.

The 80 dead at the camp was a dramatic increase over an earlier police report that at least 10 had died at the youth camp. Police director Oystein Maeland told reporters many more victims were discovered between the two reports, according to The Associated Press.

With the arrest of a lone Norwegian in the twin bomb and shooting attacks today, officials have all but ruled out any connection to international terrorism.

"We have one person in custody and he will be charged in connection with what has happened," said Justice Minister Knut Storberget during a Friday evening press conference. "We know that he is Norwegian. That is what we know. I don't think it's right from my position to go into details about him."
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An aerial view of Utoya Island, Norway taken July 21, 2011. Police say they are sending anti-terror police to a youth camp outside Oslo after reports of a shooting there following the bomb blast at the government headquarters.
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TV2, Norway's largest broadcaster, later identified the suspect as Anders Behring Breivik, 32, describing him as a member of "right-wing extremist groups in eastern Norway." Norwegian police would not confirm the identity of the suspect.

During the same press conference where Storberget spoke, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg told reporters that it was "too early to say anything certain about the motive." Justice Minister Storberget said he was not aware of any threats before the two attacks.

Police said that the incidents did not appear to have international connotations, but that the borders of the country were closed.

The man in custody allegedly opened fire at a summer youth camp run by the Labour Party, the political party of both Stoltenberg and Storberget, just hours after explosions ripped through a government building holding Stoltenberg's office in the capital city of Oslo. According to media reports the suspect had been seen in Oslo earlier in the day. Oslo is 45 minutes from the island of Utoya.

More than 500 people were attending the camp, and most campers were teenagers.

A local police spokesman confirmed to al Jazeera that the suspect had been dressed as a police officer and had said he was at the camp to provide security. Explosives were found on the island after the assault.

Twenty ambulances and four air ambulances were dispatched to the island to pick up the wounded. Some of the campers at the island jumped into the water to attempt to swim to safety.

Stoltenberg was uninjured in the Oslo bombing. He was scheduled to visit the youth camp Saturday.

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Surprise surprise, the guy's a right-wing anti-Muslim nutcase, despite all the early predictions that it was Al Qaeda. He posted his manifesto on the day of the attack, a long rambling thing that chucks up the usual "OMG Islamofascists are invading Europe!" crap. Hopefully, based on what Norway's PM and other Norwegians have said thus far, there won't be the overreaction like what we saw here in the US.

Islam IS invading Europe, has been for decades (also been bleeding its economy as immigrants send money back to their families in Turduckenstan), but that's beside the point I guess.

Anyway, Norway can't overeact like the USA did. They don't have the army or resources for a decade long war to hunt down 1 man and his oil. Of course, neither did the USA, hence the 13.4 trillion dollar deficit, but again, besides the point.

Or...Norway could be smarter and avoid a freaking expensive war that will cost tons of money, resources and men to do nothing

Soooo, if he's anti-Muslim, why kill white people? At least Al-Quaeda bombs who they hate...

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Originally Posted by sandwich_bird

Soooo, if he's anti-Muslim, why kill white people? At least Al-Quaeda bombs who they hate...

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It's "Reverse Reich-ology."

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Found his manifesto thingy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAwp2...ipcontrinter=1

Pretty stupid but, just like Demo said, it's true that Islam is invading Europe. I don't like it and it's sad because religion was finally fading away too...

I thought you called these people "democrats", Lupino. Glad to see you've started to learn the correct terms.

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Originally Posted by sandwich_bird

Soooo, if he's anti-Muslim, why kill white people? At least Al-Quaeda bombs who they hate...

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well, he was a extreme right-wing conservative guy, and the attacks where in a left-wing political party camp and a building. So yeah... even if they are white they are also people who he hates =P

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

It's "Reverse Reich-ology."

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Took 7 hours for Godwin's Law to take effect. That's miraculous given DSquid's regularity here.

I'm not surprised Squiddy believes the whole Islam Invasion crap, but I am to see some others here buy into it as well. I guess people need a new boogey-man now that the Godless Commie Hordes aren't going to be pouring through the Fulda Gap anytime soon. :D

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I thought you called these people "democrats", Lupino. Glad to see you've started to learn the correct terms.

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As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Lupino

I'm not surprised Squiddy believes the whole Islam Invasion crap, but I am to see some others here buy into it as well. I guess people need a new boogey-man now that the Godless Commie Hordes aren't going to be pouring through the Fulda Gap anytime soon. :D

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And I can't believe its not butter!

... but seriously, everyone knows that Islam is getting stronger in Europe as more and more Muslims escape the Middle Eastern shithole. It is an actual problem reported even in Canadian news.

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Originally Posted by Lupino

I'm not surprised Squiddy believes the whole Islam Invasion crap, but I am to see some others here buy into it as well. I guess people need a new boogey-man now that the Godless Commie Hordes aren't going to be pouring through the Fulda Gap anytime soon. :D

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We are opening our doors to hundreds of Muslim families because their countries are falling apart. A Muslim women has a much higher fertility rate than a traditional Canadian women. If the current fertility and immigration rate continue on this trend, you don't need a statistic degree to realize that in a couple of years, half of the Canadian population could in fact be Muslim.

Now, if Muslims were not so conservative, I couldn't care less. The problem is, most of them keep to their beliefs and traditions. If their beliefs do not get influenced enough by their new neighbors(us), we could have some serious problems down the road (aka: block on progress).

I'm not like "omfg! terrorists are everywhere!", I'm just concerned that there might be an increase in the percentage of conservative religious practitioners which would consequently not be good for progress. I think it is a valid concern just like any other demographic change that could occur in my country (the aging population of Canada for example).

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Originally Posted by sandwich_bird

We are opening our doors to hundreds of Muslim families because their countries are falling apart. A Muslim women has a much higher fertility rate than a traditional Canadian women. If the current fertility and immigration rate continue on this trend, you don't need a statistic degree to realize that in a couple of years, half of the Canadian population could in fact be Muslim.

Now, if Muslims were not so conservative, I couldn't care less. The problem is, most of them keep to their beliefs and traditions. If their beliefs do not get influenced enough by their new neighbors(us), we could have some serious problems down the road (aka: block on progress).

I'm not like "omfg! terrorists are everywhere!", I'm just concerned that there might be an increase in the percentage of conservative religious practitioners which would consequently not be good for progress. I think it is a valid concern just like any other demographic change that could occur in my country (the aging population of Canada for example).

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Very true. The Muslim invasion is not limited to Europe, it is happening here too. I just think I don't notice it as much here because I'm so used to the stench by now.

This sucks. and its gonna keep sucking. I can barely even begin to speculate how it will impact the societal climate, here in the nordic countries on medium/long term.

The crimes this man committed is far worse than people around here could have previously imagined one man of committing, here, making victims, children and fellow citizens he basically grew up alongside. after this, he's smiling in the court room. i fear the punishments available may come off as a joke. it might'a been better if they just shot him dead. That, i cant believe im saying...

.. the progress and sustainability of a democratic welfare state more than any other depends on openness, trust and inclusion. shit like this can fuck things up.

If it helps Todie, I fully support the death penalty. Some people just deserve to die. They forfeit their right to live by taking another's.

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They forfeit their right to live by taking another's.

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There are perfectly justifiable reasons to kill someone.

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

There are perfectly justifiable reasons to kill someone.

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The only justifiable reason to kill someone is if they killed someone else first. I will always believe that those who steal must have their property taken, those who rape be raped themselves, and those who kill be killed in kind. Letting these aggressive tendencies breed is not conducive to a functioning civil modern society and they must be nipped in the bud quickly and efficiently. All studies show there would be less manslaughter if the death penalty was pushed through instead of life sentences. The reason there is a life sentence is because somehow it actually costs the government (and thus tax payers) more to kill a man than incarcerate him for 25 years, and with a death penalty there's no going back if evidence is recovered to prove the killed convict's innocence.

The ability to make that kind of moral choice and deny our primitive destructive instincts is what puts us above the other lifeforms on this planet. Choice is humanity's greatest accomplishment. Every single person on this planet (barring babies and the mentally ill) could decide, right now, to never hurt anyone ever again. It won't happen, of course, because so many people don't want to deny lust, greed, and rage, but theoretically it is possible.

LOL, how naive.

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

LOL, how naive.

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I would not expect you to understand my position.

I understand it perfectly.

Murderers. Let's re-socialize them or implant those fungi cells into their brains to make them less likely to want to murder someone.

There must be some research to this side of the human psyche. Prevention is better than revenge I guess.

But if someone did happen to murder someone I care about, I'd hunt him/her down and torture the sob until I can finally say, "I forgive you" then let him watch murder upon murder then end his pathetic life.

Someone give me a pill, but that's the truth.

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Originally Posted by sandwich_bird

We are opening our doors to hundreds of Muslim families because their countries are falling apart. A Muslim women has a much higher fertility rate than a traditional Canadian women. If the current fertility and immigration rate continue on this trend, you don't need a statistic degree to realize that in a couple of years, half of the Canadian population could in fact be Muslim.

Now, if Muslims were not so conservative, I couldn't care less. The problem is, most of them keep to their beliefs and traditions. If their beliefs do not get influenced enough by their new neighbors(us), we could have some serious problems down the road (aka: block on progress).

I'm not like "omfg! terrorists are everywhere!", I'm just concerned that there might be an increase in the percentage of conservative religious practitioners which would consequently not be good for progress. I think it is a valid concern just like any other demographic change that could occur in my country (the aging population of Canada for example).

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Your explanation is more understandable, however the premise makes a very large assumption that the Muslim immigrants keep up their current birthrates, and that they remain religiously fundamentalist. This study indicates that immigrant families, after the first generation or so, tend to decline for all the same wonderful First World reasons native families are shrinking. I doubt it would apply less to Muslim immigrants than it does to Mexican.

As for the fundamentalism, that will persist so long as the immigrants perceive hostility towards them. The key to combating it (besides going after religion in general) is to identify moderate and liberal aspects, make friends with them and convince them to help identify and combat the conservative extremists. People are far more willing to adopt a culture and become one big happy melting pot so long as they don't feel like suspects or second-class citizens.

To the person who down-repped me: my "stench" comment was not so much racist as it was having proper manners. I have no antagonism toward skin color. I do, however, hold offense to those who do not shower or wash their hair, especially after a meal composing mostly of curry. I have been exposed to Muslim (also Sikh and Hindu) culture for many years, learning much about middle eastern culture and its people. To sum up: I have every right to find the smell of an unwashed turban absolutely revolting.

Calling someone stinky is offensive to them and, therefore, entirely unacceptable.

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Damn PC bullshit

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

I have been exposed to Muslim (also Sikh and Hindu) culture for many years, learning much about middle eastern culture and its people. To sum up: I have every right to find the smell of an unwashed turban absolutely revolting.

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You assume that they thought you were being racist by basis of skin color. Maybe they didn't like you being prejudiced by lumping everyone of one faith together and saying that they stink?

The Islamic faith isn't just Middle Eastern. There are countless Africans who follow this religion and most don't wear burqas or turbans, although hijabs are common. Chances are that you only met a group of Muslims from a few countries, Demo. On the other hand, I grew up with it. My dad had many close friends, many whose families were also Muslim, but there were also Muslim classmates and the neighbors I didn't know. Very few of them had bad hygiene.

Still, it's very common for people to assume that anyone wearing a turban is Muslim when in fact they're probably just Indian Sikhs.

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

Calling someone stinky is offensive to them and, therefore, entirely unacceptable.

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Damn PC bullshit

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Um, how about the fact that it's not PC? Judging a diverse group of people by the actions or habits of a few isn't acceptable, especially if it's a large religion like the Islamic faith that is practiced in countless countries.

Oh, but guess what? Demo just did that. But apparently it's PC bullshit because someone was offended by him doing that.


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Originally Posted by Sarov

The Islamic faith isn't just Middle Eastern. There are countless Africans who follow this religion and most don't wear burqas or turbans, although hijabs are common. Chances are that you only met a group of Muslims from a few countries, Demo. On the other hand, I grew up with it. My dad had many close friends, many whose families were also Muslim, but there were also Muslim classmates and the neighbors I didn't know. Very few of them had bad hygiene.

Still, it's very common for people to assume that anyone wearing a turban is Muslim when in fact they're probably just Indian Sikhs.

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I GREW UP WITH IT. I went to a 50% "brown" (that's what they called themselves) school for 8 years. I have known, befriended, and fought with Muslims and Sikhs from all over Africa and Europe. I have been surrounded by Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindus for almost 1/3 of my life. Trust me when I say, the majority of Muslims and Sikhs DO smell like a goulash of curry, B.O., and Old Spice, because their religions let them never freaking bathe. I've gotten used to the smell, but that doesn't mean it doesn't reek.

Hindu's smell a bit better. Lots of citrus and lavender in their ointments. Still, the scent of curry lingers.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

I GREW UP WITH IT. I went to a 50% "brown" (that's what they called themselves) school for 8 years. I have known, befriended, and fought with Muslims and Sikhs from all over Africa and Europe. I have been surrounded by Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindus for almost 1/3 of my life.

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My father taught me about the religion with the intention of me following it. I was expected to follow at least a little bit until my mom stepped in. I once attended a school made up entirely of Muslims, which was intended to teach you the Islamic faith. I also attended a small group run by a newer family because I was curious about the other aspects. I've been friends with entire families and, in some areas, communities. I grew up with these people for most of my life. As in, out of my entire life, only two or three years have been spent away from them with more than a decade and a half spent with/around them.

Now do you see why I decided to say exposed rather than grew up with[/I]? It's not, "OMG! No you didn't!" but me trying to differentiate growing up around it with growing up a part of it. Which usually results in the exposed vs grew up with. No disrespect intended.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

Trust me when I say, the majority of Muslims and Sikhs DO smell like a goulash of curry, B.O., and Old Spice, because their religions let them never freaking bathe. I've gotten used to the smell, but that doesn't mean it doesn't reek.

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I've heard so many jokes about that from friends/classmates but I've never actually run into anyone who reeked that bad.

I suppose in that respect you can trust me when I say that they probably belong to the 'very serious' group of Muslims. The Muslims I knew actually did take bathes. Then again, they were Somalian rather than Indian so that might have something to do with it. Maybe Russell Peters wasn't exactly exaggerating about brown people in that regard...

@Sarov: Pretty sure DSquid has been educated enough to know that not every Muslim stinks and that it was silently implied that he's only talking about a (large) portion of the population. Kind of like how I always imply such things in my post.

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I've heard so many jokes about that from friends/classmates but I've never actually run into anyone who reeked that bad.

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I have. I think I've gotten close to maybe one "true" Muslim and they stunk. Horribly. Not of a "goulash of cury" but more of a B.O.And that was with whatever they call the garb they wear. No telling what was underneath. However, I'll admit that most Muslims that stay in Miami are far from "true" Muslim (like a Christian living in Las Vegas) so I have little first-hand experience.

Indians, however, I've seen shit tons and they pretty much all stunk.

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But apparently it's PC bullshit because someone was offended by him doing that.

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Nah, I just call it PC bullshit when a valid observation is considered wrong or unacceptable because its not pleasant. What you're referring to I would call insecurity or over-sensitivity. Although I've been bombarded with assholery since I crawled out of the womb, so, what would I know?


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D,d, did I just defend DSquid?

^ Tychus has gone mad

Quick! To the Bunker! Its the Apocalypse!

In all seriousness though, I never even knew there was that stereotype about Muslims and smell. But then again, I've only ever known one Muslim in my entire life, and she didn't smell.

I knew the stereotype about Sikhs smelling though.

I think in this situation, there needs to be a clear distinction between strict Muslims and "liberal" Muslims.

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

I think in this situation, there needs to be a clear distinction between strict Muslims and "liberal" Muslims.

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There also needs to be a clear distinction that Muslims are not a race, as many posters (Not you Tychus) in this thread have alluded to. No thanks to Faux News and many American/Canadian extreme right wing media.
Don't get me wrong, I know theres a majority of them that are middle east - but not all "brown people" are muslim.

It's pretty simple why he killed them, they were a youth camp in a left wing party. A probable "root cause" of "muslim immigration" from my guess, if I was in his shoes. He would most likely view them as traitors.

I seriously doubt anyone here even remotely alluded to Muslims being a race. Maybe referred to as a more unified group than a religion all over the world, but definitely not a race.