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I doubt that.Quote:
she would have had to pay VERY close attention to Duran in order to attempt to infest him
I think Duran presented himself as an infested terran created by the first Overmind - a stealthier but weaker version.
It took Kerrigan four years to learn how to infest a terran properly. Wouldn't she be suspicious of her "good luck" infesting Duran?
Not that anyone knows the answer for sure (except people at Blizzard, of course).
Is there any evidence that supports that the first overmind attempted to create other agents like Kerrigan and failed?
Yes. Every infested terran made before Kerrigan (the unnamed explodey kind). They were failed experiments.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Blade
The Overmind wanted someone intelligent and psychic. It lucked out on the first due to genetics, and the second because Mengsk essentially told them where she was, along with the population of Tarsonis (with the psi emitters).
Once the Overmind made Kerrigan, we didn't see evidence that it had tried again. However that doesn't conflict with my theory. The Overmind clearly didn't tell Kerrigan everything, since it never told her how it made her. (If it did, Kerrigan wouldn't have needed four years to replicate the process.) So it would be easy for Duran to tell her he was made as her backup and somesuch. The only evidence would be what's in Duran's mind, and either Kerrigan couldn't read it, or he could fake his thoughts so what he told her seemed true.
Duran: "While her rebirth into the swarm has sped up my progress............such a grand experiment is beyond her narrow comprehension." (or some words to that effect)
I always wondered what Duran meant by those words. Perhaps he had a hand in Kerrigan's capture and assimilation? It also should be noted that even as a terran psychic, Kerrigan was different from most others. I think it was revealed during secret experiments involving zerg larvae that she could psionically control them to an extent; even before her infesation.
I think Duran used Infested Kerrigan as his "research notes". The Overmind was dead, but its work in successfully creating Kerrigan was still there.
Furthermore, Blizzard has said StarCraft II will explore Kerrigan's true role in the Swarm. Perhaps she thinks she was made to be the second-in-command or something like that, but in reality she was a template for when the Overmind would have successfully assimilated the protoss. This could mean Duran realized, from his investigation of the Overmind's notes (which he could have done while being Kerrigan's right-hand-man) the only way to create hybrids was the way he was using in Dark Origin. (This is quite different from the way the zerg usually would have done it, but also seems different from what the xel'naga wanted.)
Of course, the Overmind failed at that task (thanks to Tassadar and Zeratul) leaving Kerrigan in charge of the Swarm (after a brutal civil war, of course). Still, Kerrigan has obvious gaps in her knowledge which the Overmind didn't fill in, although she did plan on continuing its aims.
Or maybe the chaos created by her insurrection allowed him to work in secret more effectively.
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Originally Posted by Kimera757
It should also be noted that the Overmind wasn't the only one trying to create intelligent, semi-autonomous infested terrans. Up to and during broodwar, terran scientists were apparently trying to do the same; as evidenced by the bonus map 'deceptions' that was released some time ago.
Speaking of which anyone remember 'Morik'? I wonder if Blizzards planning on doing anything with him in the future.
Well, Blizzard did mention the Kimeran Pirates at least once when they didn't need to... :)
in terms of duran/xel'naga involvement with the story;
blizzard said that the xel'naga will be the driving force in every game, so it's very possible that many organizations/people will be either anti-xel'naga or pro-xel'naga
we already know zeratul/protoss will end up being pro XN, while Zerg are gunna be anti-XN , with kerrigan probably wanting to take their knowledge and assimilate them.
it's odd, but if you look at SC2 its all about the return of Xel'Naga, what they plan on doing (maybe help stopping the Zerg and whoever this other organization is), the completion of the 'new' Xel'Naga (aka the perfect being - combination of protss and zerg)
Uh what? Says who? Where are you even getting this from?Quote:
we already know zeratul/protoss will end up being pro XN, while Zerg are gunna be anti-XN , with kerrigan probably wanting to take their knowledge and assimilate them.
The Protoss were the XN's favored race, they left them after the Protoss broke down into a civil war, currently the Protoss aren't exactly failures - the XN are not evil. Zeratul is just not sure what their purpose is - save or destroy
besides come on, basic sense, why would the Protoss be ANTI- XN? The Zerg is basically the undisputed ruler right now, Terran and Protoss dont really have the strength to stop them. Besides that, once again lore shows how tied up the Protoss have been with the XN
As discovered by Zeratul and Zamara, neither the zerg nor the protoss were failures, per se. The 'Naga were just finished with them. The two are meant to recombine to forge a new race of Xel'Naga. As this would effectively spell the end to both, it's understandable why the protoss would be anti-Naga.
This doesn't automatically give us knowledge that the Protoss are pro XN and the Zerg are anti XN.Quote:
The Protoss were the XN's favored race, they left them after the Protoss broke down into a civil war, currently the Protoss aren't exactly failures - the XN are not evil. Zeratul is just not sure what their purpose is - save or destroy
There are already many fanatics on Protoss worlds that are crazy and who knows what they'll do.
Kerrigan also doesn't even know what the XN are up to. She's the ruler now, not the overmind.
There's no facts to support the simple conclusion of "Toss are pro XN Zerg are not." It doesn't appear to be that black and white.
Sorry Pandon, but my view is more simplistic. The endgame is rise of a new race, i think its kinda obvious that of the potential endings for SC2, the hybrids may end up becoming a permanent new race and then we can drool over SC3.
While yes its not black and white, im talking about bare/main plot point. But im pretty sure there's no fact to support the toss as a race fighting against the 'Naga. fighting against the Naga is possibly aiding the Zerg and im pretty sure the Protoss will rather kill the Zerg with the XN and then let the XN kill them than help the Zerg. Correct me if i am wrong, but Zeratul also knows that the XN wanted to make a race/are trying to combine both Protoss and Zerg, however the way Duran has done it was NOT meant to be how the race was to come to be
I think long waiting for SC2 drives us nuts.That's why people are speculating base on minor clues even the game hasn't come up.
QFT, don't expect this to end either. We're into SC :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by dusthoof
At the cliffhanger ending of this , or not , we'll still be talking with minor clues :p
"Adun's fate is one of the most controversial questions in the StarCraft universe. Some say he died a hero, defending his people and blazing like a star. Others say he was a tragic victim of the fear and prejudice that had sprung up between the dark templar and the rest of the Protoss people. Still others say that he burned out, struggling to contain psionic energies far beyond what his body could contain. We do know that some time after his death, a prophecy arose that one day he would return to the Protoss people. If you're interested in further details of Adun's life, you might enjoy the upcoming novel StarCraft: Shadow Hunters by Christie Golden (book 2 of the Dark Templar Saga). "
He's obviously alive and going to play a part in SC2. No character's fate would be ambiguous like that otherwise.
I think said prophecy has already been fulfilled, I'm pretty sure Tassadar was Adun's reincarnation. Obviously there was no memory retention, but they did essentially the same thing, refuse the orders of the Conclave out of mercy, accept the Rogue Tribes, learn their ways, ascend to Twilight status, then blow himself in a massive blast of Twilight energy, except Tassadar was supercharging the Gantrithor (sp) instead of buying the Dark Templar time. I'm really hoping Artanis=Khas though. Reunification is key.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamshank
That's interesting, Roland, because although I agree with you that Tassadar was the successor of Adun, why would they -- Metzen et al -- bring about this philosophy when it's already been fulfilled five years ago? Unless it may feature as a political strategy employed by one faction or another, claiming their own candidate as the new Messiah.
I personally do not believe Tassadar to be the reincarnated Adun per se, he simply fulfills the requirements of some prophecy. I hate prophecies. If anything though, the Lifestream -- I, I mean Aiur... happened to weave together similar patterns and elements when Tassadar was born, mirroring Adun's.
Having finished Heaven's Devils, I'm not thinking that Tychus would be willingly working for Duran. It doesn't seem to suit his character at all...
(****MINOR SPOILERS FROM HEAVEN'S DEVILS****)
Tychus is focused primarily on Operation Early Retirement - AKA anything to make himself a large portion of cash, and get out of the Marines, and essentially live the sweet life and answer only to himself. This involves semi-legal, and illegal dealings, as long as they make him a profit.
The Moebius Foundation seems like something that Valerian would be running behind his father's back. It's science focused, and obviously has some decent resources. Tychus could be hired specifically to get the assistance of Raynor, it'd be a really logical move, given Valerian's access to their information, and ability to facilitate something like that.
Tychus would be more than willing to run & gun for artifacts, no matter who's in the way, because it has the benefit of providing a significant profit. Also - for all we know, Tychus has been imprisoned for his illicit activities, since around the time that Jimmy decided to go straight & become a Marshal on Mar Sara (since he's being let out during the SC2 cinematic).
(****END SPOILERS****)
Really, what it biols down to is that, although he's a convict I don't see him working for Duran, unless Duran's managing to manipulate everything from behind the scenes in a REALLY cunning way.
X :cool:
I think he's withe Valerion, or the highest bidder later on, whoever hired him is likely responsible for taking him directly out of stasis, and putting him in a marine suit. Remember he lied to Raynor about this. Valerion may have been able to do so behind his father's back via bribes and threats.
hes not infested inside his suit, atleast not visiably. just watch the starcraft 2 cinematic where it shows him getting suited up:Quote:
Originally Posted by hiru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7d5XheWiBk
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Originally Posted by inverseninja
I don't think thats canon.
This says that cinematic uses 5 million polygons. This says it can take a year to make just an intro for WoW, the SC2 trailer was at least as long as one of those, you don't spend a year working on something with 5 million polygons to show it off for a big announcement and never use it again. I'm betting it's canon.
The cinematic trailer more than likely showed off bits and pieces of the final cinematics. It has to be canon.
It showed off part of the official "Old Rivals" cinematic, so at least parts of it are canon. I'm thinking Findlay suiting up will probably be in the game somewhere.
I dunno. He's still in chains, so it can't be when he's part of the Raiders, so it seems to be during his indenture period, which would take place before the main storyline of Wings of Liberty. Wouldn't be surprised if it's used as an intro cinematic, same as how the trailer for Brood War formed the basis of the intro.
I doubt it. As Hawki observed, he's in chains, so it's either from the beginning, or made purely for the announcement of the game. Unless, of course, it's part of an ending cinematic where Tychus has been captured and is about to be deployed to the frontlines on some suicide mission; a bookend-sorta deal for the story. My mind's just wanderin'...Quote:
I'm thinking Findlay suiting up will probably be in the game somewhere.
Maybe a kind of flashback? We've seen new cinematics of Kerrigan being caught by the Zerg on New Gettysburg already, if how Tychus got out of prison is really significant they might put this in there when it's being explained, EX: Say Tychus is working for Valerion, and at one point is asked to betray Raynor if he becomes a threat. This could be a part of the mission when that realization hits us, as for all we know it could be prefaced by a conversation with Valerion.
I still think (extremely minimal proof) that Findlay was the "frozen guy" mentioned in StarCraft: Issue 3. (If so, Findlay could have been unfrozen as early as 2502.)
Given the suiting up, obviously he had to be lying to Raynor about how he got out of prison.
If he's being taken straight from prison to the marine suit then wouldn't it mean that he was released under the authority of someone in the Dominion?
Yes. Tamsen Cauley maybe? (He had at least a slight interest in Findlay; he looked up his file while hunting Jim Raynor.)
There's no mention of Valerian Mengsk in the comics. And of course, there's no proof, just me speculating; it's just crackpottery.
Tychus is a badass, he just escaped prison exactly like the guy in Fear the Reaper. 1 man vs Folsom Prison? No problem. Then he'll blow giant holes in the wall using gauss rifles held by marines in suits, and then he'll rig the place up with explosives and fly away in a giant dropship.
While he's in stasis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
That's how badass he is man, I'm tellin ya.Quote:
While he's in stasis?
That would be unlikely. He was most likely lying for effect. However if that was true that would be awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
Someone has to make that mission.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikill
You get one hero: Tychus Findlay. Kill all those guards! Make it 3PS, like that StarCraft: Ghost map.
A 3PS in SC engine with Gears of War style gameplay would be the best.
I'm fairly certain Moebius was planning on hiring Raynor through Tychus, it's just a matter of whose behind Moebius. Was the earliest we've seen them in the timeline Voice in the Darkness? When they were founded seems crucial to knowing who started them.
I'm pretty sure we've never seen them before Voice. One wonders if they'll hire Jake Ramsey; he's seen a lot.
You know, Hideo Kojima, the guy behind the Metal Gear series, frequently released spoiler movies and trailers prior to his games being released that were pretty much bogus. They either were intended to mess with the fans' minds, mislead them to speculate the plot in question or just weren't considered canon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
An example would be clips of Solid Snake putting a gun in his mouth when he's in the middle east within trailers for MSG4. Fans immediately thought Snake was thinking of taking his own life in the middle east just because of that one clip. In reality after the game was released, Snake never actually did put a gun in his mouth during that first chapter.
What I'm trying to say is that Blizzard could have very well scrapped that entire scene with Zeratul aboard the Hyperion by now. There's a very good chance that they simply wanted to show that Zeratul was alive and well as show the fans that he will be trying to warn Jim Raynor of events to come. It doesn't mean that he will actually show up on the Hyperion, especially since those clips were literally shown at big events years ago. The story mode could have changed a lot by now.
There's a rumor Zeratul can blink. Apparently the info is from datamined stuff, so I don't know how reliable it is.
And apparently star relics can cloak (re: StarCraft comic).