The Overmind vs Kerrigan

Who do you prefer? Kerrigan or The Overmind?

For me it's the Overmind all the way. I hate Kerrigan. I don't get why they replaced the Overmind with her. I just hope he'll somehow comeback in SC2. He's one of my favorite villain ever. I still remember his first words he said in the briefing of the very first zerg mission:

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Awaken my child, and embrace the glory that is your birthright. Know that I am the Overmind; the eternal will of the Swarm, and that you have been created to serve me.

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awww RIP ovie :'(

EDIT: Damn I wanted a poll. If a mod could be kind enough to put Kerrigan and Overmind as poll option it would be appreciated. Done - Friendly Neighbourhood ChaosSmurf

Kerrigan is interesting, but only because she provides a character arc of sorts for Raynor, and hence for the story as a whole. The truth is that the Overmind is far more menacing. It's just hard to believe that Kerrigan is strong enough and has enough of a motive to wage a war to destroy the other two species.

The Overmind was a better character and more "true" to the zerg.

Kerrigan is a better hero. She's also more adaptable and has a better understanding of her enemies than the Overmind. Please note that she is still trying to fulfill the Overmind's aims (as of Shadow Hunters).

In my opinion, I find that the story between Raynor and Kerrigan and stuff should already BE over. I find them boring now, drunk raynor, power hungry kerrigan, great.

I really do prefer the overmind, and I hope to see some interesting stories form from new characters. While I have no doubt that the story for SC2 will be stellar, I highly doubt that the passionless raynor, and the typical Kerrigan, and the wounded Zeratul will have any impact on me like they did in SC1.

In any case, the overmind is a total badass I love him.

Personally, I prefer the Overmind, he's just, better.

A pity they killed the Overmind. Kerrigan could had been her agent, and we could have both now. But the story had reached a point where it was kill or die.

Too bad, while Kerrigan can interact with the enemy more, the Overmind was a lot more Zergish than her, and it's speech was unique, much better than Kerrigan's "everyone except me is stupid" speeches and attitude shown in BW. Seriously, she should wear an "i'm with stupid" shirt :p

I expect her to behave much more interestingly and seriously in SC2, however.

first are we sure the overmind is a "he" and not an "it"? anyways, Overmind FTW. the whole idea of the Zerg is that they are a hive mind species with no individualist characteristics. Kerrigan is far too individualistic to command the swarm. idealogical paradox, to me.

Overmind for me, but Kerrigan's ok for me.

I definitely preferred the Overmind. It WAS the Zerg Swarm. Tassadar essentially fractured the Swarms, and Kerrigan was there to stitch the pieces back together. She's really nothing more than a puppet master, a self-absorbed solipsistic agent of chaos.

... Y'know, phrased that way, she doesn't sound like such a poor character. ;]

I'm actually really looking forward to the Zerg campaign. I want to see how she evolves both herself and the Swarm. If she is pursuing the Overmind's agenda of evolution, than might that mean that the Swarm Mind is overwhelming her? That *gasp* the Overmind might still resurface? From a story standpoint, horrible idea. Conceptually, though, I'm intrigued.

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She's really nothing more than a puppet master, a self-absorbed solipsistic agent of chaos.

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Uh, total opposite I'd say. She's actually a lot about control, revenge and self-preservation more so than about chaos and being solipsistic. Nothing she does is chaotic (except when she was under the Overmind's control) and she's selfish and arrogant, but not to the point of being solipsistic. Maybe after she's wiped out the Dominion, Protoss and UED's fleets, but definitely not before that point.

I don't like the Overmind that much. He had a deep cool voice, but other than that the conflict with him was too straight-forward. I mean after the original StarCraft what more could they do with him? Not much. I don't think there was a whole lot left to explore.

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Originally Posted by Visions of Khas

... If she is pursuing the Overmind's agenda of evolution, than might that mean that the Swarm Mind is overwhelming her? That *gasp* the Overmind might still resurface? From a story standpoint, horrible idea. ...

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On the contrary, the Zerg hivemind overwhelming her would be a good story idea, at least in my opinion.

In Wings of Liberty, I suspect we will have an encounter with Kerrigan at some point. She seems like her old self, if only at a glance. She speaks like she did in the Brood War, but this is a facade; perhaps Kerrigan does not even know it herself.

The Swarm is slowly but surely changing her. Her sudden interest in the completion of the Overmind's work is but one of many symptoms.

In Heart of the Swarm, we finally get to see inside Kerrigan's mind. She is in a mental battle, with her own desires and wishes against those of the Zerg as a whole. At the beginning, we see she is somewhat in control. The wants of the Swarm do surface, but she is in control.

Or so she thinks.

In an attempt to convince herself of total control, she reconciles the assimilation of new species and the aquisition of the Xel'nagan artefacts with her own wishes. It will benefit her in the long run, Kerrigan thinks to herself.

But throughout the story, we see that she is indeed losing the battle. She no longer seeks revenge, or conquest. By the end, she is focused solely on the assimilation of all life.

She is the now the Overmind reborn.

And in the finale, Legacy of the Void, we see the results. It is a year later, and Kerrigan has conquered much of the Terran space. The proper assimilation of humanity seems unavoidable. Learning from it's previous mistakes, the new Overmind will be perfectly prepared this time.

Of course, this is all speculation. As I wrote, I realized I hadn't mentioned the Hybrids, but it would, as I said be a good story arc.

Bringing a character back from the dead once is risky, usually works out to be pretty bad.

Bringing a character back from the dead twice is friggin insane.

I picked Kerrigan.
I mean are we talking about them fighting?
Perference? Charisma? Spunk? Skillz?
That wasnt really clarified.

But in any of those catergories, i would pick kerrigan to win all.
Well except for the spunk, i have to give that to the Overmind.

But as far as a character geos.
Both are great.
I do believe though in the end the better character won.
I mean who here wouldnt like to see Kerrigan dead?

If the Overmind killed Kerrigan and she was gone.
We wouldnt feel as much anomisty toward the Overmind for killing Kerrigan.
(As we would for Kerrigan killing the Overmind.)

But thats about my two cents.:D

I think it would be cool if Kerrigan struggles to gain power while retaining her individuality with the zerg. Then during the zerg or maybe protoss campaign she finally ascends to an overmind status and we have a new overmind (this time a female-ish one) that is more powerful than ever before.

Sarah Kerrigan is awesome !!

I think that she is the only real leader of the swarm and she will be it forever! *hopefully* :)

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The wants of the Swarm do surface, but she is in control. Or so she thinks.

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Mm, I like. Provides some good ol' fashioned internal struggle, something that was touched upon her character in the past but never realized in the games.

What it is about this that intrigues me is the lengths she may go to in order to maintain her own personality and dominance. Will she willingly sabotage the Swarm upon realizing that her destiny may no longer be in her own hands? (After playing WarCraft, this potential reminds me of the Forsaken Scourge group; in this case a splintering of the Swarm.) Or will she play a gambit or a form of Xanatos Roulette and bide her time, betting that she can keep in control why pursuing the Swarm's natural evolution?

One possible route I thought Kerrigan might take would be for her to increase the intelligence of individual minions so they won't demand so much of her concentration/supervision. Maybe this leads into the splintering I mentioned above? Ah, but I digress into completely unverifiable speculation.

Overmind. He had a goal & that goal was the only thing that mattered. The goal was the following:

"We shall be...perfect!"

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Overmind. He had a goal & that goal was the only thing that mattered.

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Quick digression that may or may not be better suited to a new thread: maybe the reason the Overmind couldn't use the Xel'Naga's own psychic abilities and advanced physiology was because they were nearing the end of their lifespan and suffered irreversible genetic damage, necessitating a new order borne of the Protoss and Zerg?

I like the Overmind. He represents an entire alien hive-mind conciousness. This foreign form of thinking gives the Zerg a great contrast against the Terrans, which loosely represents humanity. The Zerg are like insects, and the Overmind is this intangible force controlling them all, giving them purpose and striving to become a perfect race. He's a Cthulhu Mythos inspired primal entity, given a voice and personality. There isn't anything inherrantly evil about the Overmind, simply that his and the Zerg's existence is causing chaos for all the other races in this part of the universe.

Kerrigan is an interesting personality, and may be less predictable than the Overmind, but she's still human. I prefer my Zerg as alien as can be, not lead by a human who has perfect control over the entire race without any 'human error' in the way. She's a great character with a special place in the Starcraft storyline, but I still feel without the Overmind, the Zerg lose a part of their alien identity.

Kerriganz FTFW! hell thats my name lol shes so evil, and backstabbing, and own the universe queen bitch that yeah, ya just cant beat her, as seen in the Omega mission :D.

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Originally Posted by Kerriganz

ya just cant beat her, as seen in the Omega mission :D.

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That was her Cerebrate, who apparently doesn't exist anymore. :P

Technically the Cerebrate did all her work especially in Omega where she was still on the surface of Char.

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Originally Posted by Visions of Khas

Quick digression that may or may not be better suited to a new thread: maybe the reason the Overmind couldn't use the Xel'Naga's own psychic abilities and advanced physiology was because they were nearing the end of their lifespan and suffered irreversible genetic damage, necessitating a new order borne of the Protoss and Zerg?

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Sounds reasonable.

SCL Forum Opinion:

Giant Blob Eyeball > Hot Psychic Chick

Just sayin bros.

The Overmind can open a wormhole, Kerrigan's restricted to psi-storms, more-or-less.

Pretty sure Kerrigan can open wormholes as well.

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Technically the Cerebrate did all her work especially in Omega where she was still on the surface of Char.

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It was her general.

Many great leaders have better generals beneath them, who could not be leaders themselves but are very good at tactics.

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Originally Posted by Aldrius

It was her general.

Many great leaders have better generals beneath them, who could not be leaders themselves but are very good at tactics.

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very well said

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Many great leaders have better generals beneath them, who could not be leaders themselves but are very good at tactics.

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Probably one reason why she allowed several Cerebrates to exist until she learned the ropes and reached a point where she could flit from one mind to the next to the next in a fraction of a second in the Dark Templar Saga.

I've not read the entirety of the DT Saga, but do any of the books indicate the size of the Swarm during her reign? Larger, smaller?

I'd say they have to be smaller. The entire extended Zerg swarm broke its teeth on Aiur, but even so, every faction in that sector is a shadow of their former power, so Kerrigan could still "wipe the sector" without controlling as many Zerg as the Overmind did.

Mm. I was under the same impression. The war with the vangaurd of Aiur, then destruction at the hands of the combined Fleet of the Executor/Raiders, annihilation of a couple broods on Shakuras, attrition at the hands of Dominion and UED forces, and internecine, would have thinned their numbers. Just a jot.


As to those posters who claim Kerrigan brings a level of lethality in the form of guile and deception, I choose to think that the Overmind was as capable of such feats, after a fashion. The manual itself states Chau Sara was largely infested without the inhabitants' knowledge.

... Plus the Overmind made the Queen of Blades, a whirling dervish of a deception machine.

Point. Check. Mate.

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Originally Posted by ChaosSmurf

SCL Forum Opinion:

Giant Blob Eyeball > Hot Psychic Chick

Just sayin bros.

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usually I prefer my chicks not dipped in green mucus thanks :p

Buddy, Kerrigan has NOTHING on the Overmind. If it was still alive It would have easily crushed the Dominion, the surviving Protoss, and the invading UED fleet. After all, the Confederacy came this close to defeating it thanks to the Psi Distrupter. Only because of the Sons of Korhal their armies were crushed and Tarsonis got overun. Anyway the Overmind is a much cooler villan.

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Buddy, Kerrigan has NOTHING on the Overmind. If it was still alive It would have easily crushed the Dominion, the surviving Protoss, and the invading UED fleet. After all, the Confederacy came this close to defeating it thanks to the Psi Distrupter. Only because of the Sons of Korhal their armies were crushed and Tarsonis got overun. Anyway the Overmind is a much cooler villan.

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Erm, what? First of all, if the overmind was still alive, it'd currently be under UED control, as the ORIGINAL overmind got wtfpwned by Tassadar.

Second of all, the Confederacy didn't even come within miles of defeating the Overmind with the psi disruptor, that was, once again the UED who took the psi disruptor under their own hands and used it.

And third, one of the only reasons why the Sons of Korhal managed to defeat the Confederacy was because they were already getting half owned by the Zerg, they've would've fallen eventually anyway. Mengsk just sped up the process.

The second Overmind was just a mass of Cerebrates that was on his infant stages, and even then, the UED was having trouble controlling it. Had it reached maturity, Kerrigan would be a slave of the Overmind again. Kerrigan said it herself, and probably wasn't lying.

The Overmind is obviously more powerful, but in terms of story dynamics and flexibility, it's stagnant and there isn't anything much you can do with it.

I'd like to see a reborn Overmind, if not just to see what it looks like in SC2. Plus an attack Tentacles that swarm out of it, attacking all nearby things, all the while and raping hot anim-

Erm, what were we talking about again?

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Plus an attack Tentacles that swarm out of it, attacking all nearby things

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I'd LOL if the Overmind made a cameo as a Lovecraftian Forgotten One from WarCraft.