Re: Terrans weilding Protoss technology?
Sure, understanding may not be needed for average, everyday usage, but it sure helps to know a thing or two when the tool in question breaks. Wherever I work, if somethings breaks, I make a point of sticking around the guy they hire to fix it, so I can learn a thing or two about it. That way, when it breaks again, I can fix it myself — boom — that's a couple hundred bucks we saved.
Re: Terrans weilding Protoss technology?
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newcomplex
Gestalt, if anything, proves my point. They had to splice protoss dna onto a ghost just for him to be able to USE psi-blades. And he was, as the comic has only 180% the power of a normal ghost. Splicing genes from an alien race for a 80% performance boost? um ok.
Wrong.
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Nova isn't part protoss.
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Kimera757
nova the game also isn't in canon officially.
and pandotheno stop ranting. You don't have proof on 99% of the stuff you say. For instance, you have no proof a canister rifle is for long range use only. In the lore, ghosts also have access to a variety of assault rifles and smg. You have no proof that the cameras you describe couldn't fail on an en-mass scale. Or they couldn't be hacked into.
Stop trying to make it sound like your pseudo made up lore justifies something that's personal taste. The only substantial evidence you have that ghosts should be given psi-blades is the gestalt 0 comic. Guess what? The experiment was shut down. The scientist and his facility were destroyed. The lone test subject escaped, then joined the protoss. That sounds to me like it failed. If I were mengsk, you know what I wouldn't being doing? Asking that experiment to be reproduced, en-mass. That scientists in the comic is obviously crazy. His plans to "mass produce them" is delusion.
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newcomplex
nova the game also isn't in canon officially.
There's a good chance they'll be in the Spectres novel. Certainly Blizzard intended for the psyblade to be in the game.
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The experiment was shut down. That scientists in the comic is obviously crazy. His plans to "mass produce them" is delusion.
It was actually a pretty good experiment. It only failed because Burgess tried to understand the Khala.
The psi-blade certainly had nothing to do with the failure of the experiment. The neural inhibitor played a much larger role.
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From lore, we already know a ghost can kill 2 hydralisks.
They wouldn't make Zero face so many hydralisks they could kill him. An 87% boost suggests he can kill them almost twice as quickly. I don't see why Zero would have to stop at three either, other than the problems involved trying to keep that many hydralisks on-base.
Several ghosts have demonstrated they prefer using a certain style. The one that nearly killed Kerrigan in Uprising, for instance, was a specialist in knife-fighting.
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Kimera757
The psi-blade certainly had nothing to do with the failure of the experiment. The neural inhibitor played a much larger role.
The two are linked. According to the current lore you need protoss enhancements to use psi-blades. Said protoss enhancements make it possible for ghosts to break free of the inhibitors.
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newcomplex
The two are linked. According to the current lore you need protoss enhancements to use psi-blades. Said protoss enhancements make it possible for ghosts to break free of the inhibitors.
Muadun broke the neural inhibitor. It had nothing to do with Zero himself. And if the Dominion were smart, they would have used a willing ghost. (Yes, those beings actually exist.)
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Kimera757
Muadun broke the neural inhibitor. It had nothing to do with Zero himself. And if the Dominion were smart, they would have used a willing ghost. (Yes, those beings actually exist.)
I retract that statement.
meh. I like how you proved more in a sentence then the other guy proved in 8 posts.
Anyway...ghosts with lightsabers are still stupid, and in direct contrast with the "nitty gritty" theme of the terrans sofar established in lore, for the most part. It would be pretty dumb then to incorporate them into lore as anything beyond anomalies like gestalt.
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So are transforming fighters and not-quite-bulletproof goliath windshields. It's a science fiction game. Embrace the ham.
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and pandotheno stop ranting. You don't have proof on 99% of the stuff you say.
Oh yes, let's just ignore my post entirely and say I'm making things up without trying to disprove any of it. Way to lose an argument.
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You have no proof that the cameras you describe couldn't fail on an en-mass scale. Or they couldn't be hacked into.
Before I reply to this, I'm going to predict that my following statement will blow your mind out of the water and thus you'll ignore it. Guess what, you're using a double standard. You have NO PROOF THAT GOLIATH PILOTS WON'T GET SNIPED EVERY SINGLE TIME USING A GLASS SHIELD. Guess what, the burden lies on your to disprove it because saying something like "you have no proof that cameras wouldn't fail en-mass" is bullshit. What is your reasoning that they'll fail en-mass? Who the hell is going to hack into them? If they could be hacked into, then the entire goliath would be hacked not just the cameras. Stop pulling bullshit answers.
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Stop trying to make it sound like your pseudo made up lore justifies something that's personal taste.
My are you quite the hypocrite. Because what you just said describes exactly what you're doing, or are you going to deny it?
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The two are linked. According to the current lore you need protoss enhancements to use psi-blades. Said protoss enhancements make it possible for ghosts to break free of the inhibitors.
And look who doesn't know what he's talking about. You.
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meh. I like how you proved more in a sentence then the other guy proved in 8 posts.
Why don't you read your own arguments? Mine actually use LOGIC.
Now if you have actual evidence as to why ghosts with psi blades are stupid then post it instead of just saying they're stupid.
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Anyway...ghosts with lightsabers are still stupid, and in direct contrast with the "nitty gritty" theme of the terrans sofar established in lore, for the most part. It would be pretty dumb then to incorporate them into lore as anything beyond anomalies like gestalt.
And yet again you show nothing but your own biased opinion. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. Earlier you said that I'm making things up just to justify my own personal taste? Read the quote, what does it sound like? Your own personal taste, you stupid hypocrite.
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or instance, you have no proof a canister rifle is for long range use only. In the lore, ghosts also have access to a variety of assault rifles and smg.
Hey, guess what? It's generally accepted that close combat units generally win when they get into close combat with people using guns! Even real life proves it. Yes, they have access to SMGs but do you actually think that an SMG is strong enough to penetrate some of the enemies that Ghosts might have to fight, as opposed to a psi blade? An SMG will not penetrate Marauder armour. A psi blade is good for silently killing enemies, guns are not. A silenced weapon is most likely not a strong enough weapon, you need needle weapons to penetrate the armour of regular marines, what makes you think an SMG will penetrate Marauder armour? Your imagination?
Re: Terrans weilding Protoss technology?
I'm still not convinced that any Psi Blades can be mass produced. As I've said before, the Zealot's Psi Blade is just a separate unit which goes on his arm. It's not even connected to the rest of his armor. It could be lost extremely easily, easily enough for Terrans to accumulate a decent collection of them. And since it works independently of the rest of the suit, it can be easily modifiable by Terrans as well.
The PsyBlade just looks like it was heavily modified to be useful for Ghosts. And you have to take Dr. Burgess's claims that Gestalt Zero was going into "mass production" into perspective, because you don't "mass produce" Khalai nerve cords. Those still have to be found, probably just like Psi Blades. Mass production is misleading here - Zero was probably going to be a special class of elite soldiers, not mass produced at all, and their quantity bottlenecked by the amount of khalai nerve cords & psi blades they can find.
So there's not really any evidence that Psi Blades can be mass produced. It seems that the most parsimonious explanation, as Kimera would say, is that they can't, and the Terrans just use whatever ones they happen to find.
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Pandonetho
Why not? Dr. Burgess had plans to mass produce Project Gestalt Zero. Also, Gestalt Zero completed every single mission he's ever taken on with 100% success. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.
Yeah but that was after he got Templar nerve cords, which are even more impossible to find. Before that he just attacked defenseless Khalai. Granted, he didn't take alot of nerve cords from Muadun, but the supply is still finite; nerve cords don't grow back and throughout the entirety of that project they found only one templar.