Modern Warfare 2

[Blazur]

Okay, since Modern Warfare 2 is being reported as the biggest launch in entertainment history (http://feeds.gawker.com/%7Er/kotaku/full/%7E3/NHlynxHfANU/was-modern-warfare-2-really-the-biggest-launch-in-history) (that includes video games, movies, books, and CD's), , trumping last years' GTA IV launch, I figured we should have a discussion about it.

How is the game? Anybody care to share their thoughts or experiences? Personally I've never played any COD games and tend to shy away from war games, but last night I was watching some gameplay videos on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSandyRavage) and was blown away at how realistic and fun this game looks. Seems like it's very fast-paced and highly competitive, and I may consider this game over L4D2 as the game big one I get in to.

[SaharaDrac]

I beat the game the day it came out, the trophies were bugged on the PS3 and I didn't get any of them. So fuck it. However! It was an excellent single player experience with a convoluted but interesting and atmospheric story. I got the golden shotgun and golden AK47 in the original MW for the PS3, so I do enjoy the multiplayer quite a bit. I'm looking forward to playing MW2 multi today.

[sandwich_bird]

I played a bit of the campaign and the multi. Overated imo. The story is cool but since apparently it's so short it's kinda sad. Multiplayer is fun but Battlefield bad company 2 will totaly destroy it.

[imdrunkontea]

unless my roomies split the cost of it with me, I'd prefer to wait for bad company 2 instead. bf: bc was one of the funnest MP games I've ever played on live.

I'm probably gonna rent MW2 for the single-player campaign tho. it look pretty cool, but short.

[screw_ball69]

The campaign is short, one of my roommates bought the game last night and we beat then and there, story is cool, multiplayer is just more of the same.

[Hamshank]

I wouldn't pay 60 for any game, except Starcraft 2 (lol)
But hey I bought it off Ebay for 49 dollars so I'm happy.
A lot of PC gamers weren't happy about the game so I figured I could get it off Ebay for less which I did.

[Islandsnake]

Enjoying the game, though the better these graphics get the harder it is to actually see the players T_T

I miss old school shooters lol ;D

[screw_ball69]

Enjoying the game, though the better these graphics get the harder it is to actually see the players T_T

I miss old school shooters lol ;D


Who woulda thunk it. all white camouflage in Siberia would make you hard to see.

[Spartan]

The game itself is very solid and a lot of fun. That bad part is I'll see less and less of my girlfriend.. because.. she's going to be playing it 24/7. :(

[screw_ball69]

The game itself is very solid and a lot of fun. That bad part is I'll see less and less of my girlfriend.. because.. she's going to be playing it 24/7. :(

Wait a minute...

I'll take your girlfriend off your hands since you wont be seeing her anyways.

[Hamshank]

the fondest memories I have of the Cod franchise are from the first games.

[Visions of Khas]

I'll take your girlfriend off your hands since you wont be seeing her anyways.
*A new challenger approaches!* I say we resolve this dispute my means of a duel!


I really liked the first one and grew fairly attached to the characters, though the story was a little convoluted. But I really liked the introductory segment, I found it very compelling a technique (if I'm talking about the same game here).

My friend bought it and expects to receive it in the mail this week. I'll play it with him asap. (I hear Mc-Britain survived the end of CoD. This pleases me. :D)

[dynamiK-]

Campaign had a lot of variety, but it was really short. Good game play and story, however it was just too quick to play through...

Coop challenges are a lot of fun, hopefully they'll make more of those.

Multiplayer, eh... More variety than CoD4, but I can't stand 203s, dualies or all the helis. Takes the fun out of the game when you have helis constantly hovering, or people with dual P90s... Just isn't realistic either.

[Pandonetho]

Played COD4, got bored of it rather quickly.

The problem I have with these games is that they're just so damn static, everything is defined to a set of rules that are so tight it leaves the player no freedom.

Take battlefield 1942 or battlefield 2 for example, there is so much freedom allowed in that game that it's insane. Great vehicles, dog fights, claymores, satchels, all the good stuff.

No place on the map is off limits (except for the boundaries of course), it's just amazing.

[Novasquadron]

Enjoying the multiplayer online.
Dont have any complaints.
Didnt like the idea that i dont have my sniper rifle. (M40A3)

[Hamshank]

do any of you have it on the PC or all on the xbox?

I got it for PC

[screw_ball69]

Mine is PC

Edit: You'll never catch me playing a FPS on a console if I can get it for PC.

[Hamshank]

Is the internet working okay for you on it, I have heard a lot of complaints on the console like system used for implementing the PC multiplayer? My game is coming tomorrow hopefully if you want to try co-op.

[sandwich_bird]

Played COD4, got bored of it rather quickly.

The problem I have with these games is that they're just so damn static, everything is defined to a set of rules that are so tight it leaves the player no freedom.

Take battlefield 1942 or battlefield 2 for example, there is so much freedom allowed in that game that it's insane. Great vehicles, dog fights, claymores, satchels, all the good stuff.

No place on the map is off limits (except for the boundaries of course), it's just amazing. I know! I honestly don't see why the COD franchise is not going in that direction. I mean the single player mode is huge so the battlefield 2/1942 gameplay would be more fitting.

[dynamiK-]

do any of you have it on the PC or all on the xbox?

I got it for PC

I do... Can't stand FPS on a console. Who wants to aim with a joystick?

[Pandonetho]

I do... Can't stand FPS on a console. Who wants to aim with a joystick?

There were some great FPS games on consoles. Golden Eye, Halo 1, Perfect Dark, etc.

That being said, I like mouse + keyboard way more than an analogue stick.

[DemolitionSquid]

FPS should only be played on console. Using a mouse to aim makes me physically sick.

ANALOG 4EVAR!

[Hamshank]

I physically am unable to aim with joystick or controller on Xbox being a lefty.

I could do it on Playstation and N64 well though, but the mouse is the best tool.

Yea, I am totally disabled as a Halo 3 player or what not though.

[DemolitionSquid]

... but the mouse is the best tool.

I'm starting to think that dog wasn't the only one kicked over a bridge...

[The_Blade]

Dont worry, FPS will probably be remote robots controled from your safe home in 2 years.

[DemolitionSquid]

Dont worry, FPS will probably be remote robots controled from your safe home in 2 years.

It'll be nice to finally let my gamer rage out on the real world in controlled circumstances. Like Iraq.

[screw_ball69]

Dude playing FPS on a console is a joke, for example Modern Warfare 2, you hit the iron sights button and you automatically aim at the nearest head, its practically a aim bot.

at least mouse and keyboard requires some skill.

[The_Blade]

Dude playing FPS on a console is a joke, for example Modern Warfare 2, you hit the iron sights button and you automatically aim at the nearest head, its practically a aim bot.

at least mouse and keyboard requires some skill.

Playing Tivia as a mage with no hotkeys is a joke. *typing* "utamovit..." *DEATH*
Long time ago, but it was hell and a new keyboard every single month.

[DemolitionSquid]

Dude playing FPS on a console is a joke, for example Modern Warfare 2, you hit the iron sights button and you automatically aim at the nearest head, its practically a aim bot.

at least mouse and keyboard requires some skill.

I don't play MW2, or any of the Cock of Dooty series. Only n00bs play anything with a semblance of auto-target.

Don't be all butthurt you can't control two joysticks at once. It requires a brain capacity that's obviously beyond your genetics.

[screw_ball69]

I don't play MW2, or any of the Cock of Dooty series. Only n00bs play anything with a semblance of auto-target.

Don't be all butthurt you can't control two joysticks at once. It requires a brain capacity that's obviously beyond your genetics.

Because it take that much more coordination than a keyboard and mouse.
last I checked almost any fps on console has some sort of aim assist.

[DemolitionSquid]

Because it take that much more coordination than a keyboard and mouse.
last I checked almost any fps on console has some sort of aim assist.

Then you didn't look very hard.

[screw_ball69]

Seems like just about every fps I have played on console lately it acts like there is a magnet in the crosshairs.

[DemolitionSquid]

Seems like just about every fps I have played on console lately it acts like there is a magnet in the crosshairs.

Stop lying to yourself and to us.

[screw_ball69]

Ya caught me, I used teh Hax

[Pandonetho]

So squid, what console FPS games DO you play then hm?

[pure.Wasted]

I got it the same day I got my PS3. It's the first shooter I ever played on console, and the first next-gen game I played for more than a few minutes... and I beat 2/3 of the campaign, on Regular, in a couple of hours (haven't gone back since). That should say something.

The campaign is pretty ridiculous, but it's super cinematic and most of the missions are quite different, which makes it fun. Except Brazil. Brazil can go die. If I have to go back there after that last mission, heads will roll, and I'm not talkin' in-game.

Multiplayer has been tougher for a newb like myself, accustomed to PC as I am... but I'm making do. The one thing I'll say is there's some serious balance issues. On a lot of maps (Wasteland comes to mind), helicopters are SERIOUSLY overpowered. Basically the only way to not be killed by them ten times in a row is to sit in a hut for 5 minutes doing nothing. Yes, it's as lame as it sounds.

I've been having internet troubles, but I'm pretty sure that's my wireless acting up.

[screw_ball69]

I got it the same day I got my PS3. It's the first shooter I ever played on console, and the first next-gen game I played for more than a few minutes... and I beat 2/3 of the campaign, on Regular, in a couple of hours (haven't gone back since). That should say something.

The campaign is pretty ridiculous, but it's super cinematic and most of the missions are quite different, which makes it fun. Except Brazil. Brazil can go die. If I have to go back there after that last mission, heads will roll, and I'm not talkin' in-game.

Multiplayer has been tougher for a newb like myself, accustomed to PC as I am... but I'm making do. The one thing I'll say is there's some serious balance issues. On a lot of maps (Wasteland comes to mind), helicopters are SERIOUSLY overpowered. Basically the only way to not be killed by them ten times in a row is to sit in a hut for 5 minutes doing nothing. Yes, it's as lame as it sounds.

I've been having internet troubles, but I'm pretty sure that's my wireless acting up.


Welcome to Call od Duty multiplayer.
seriously tho, Brazil did fucking suck...tho the last ditch run across rooftops was cool.

[dynamiK-]

FPS should only be played on console. Using a mouse to aim makes me physically sick.

ANALOG 4EVAR!

False... Joysticks are for flying planes or a sport game. Good try though.

[DemolitionSquid]

False... Joysticks are for flying planes or a sport game. Good try though.

Analog is the superior UI for most types of gaming. Flying, Sport, and FPS. Deal with it.

[Pandonetho]

Nah, it gives the player less control than a mouse and keyboard. Way less.

Battlefield owns the hell out of Gaylo any day.

Also, plain and simply, sports games are gay, and good luck with trying to get any good RTS onto a console.

[DemolitionSquid]

Nah, it gives the player less control than a mouse and keyboard. Way less.

A PSWii60 controller is simplified, streamlined. For an RTS, having no keyboard blows. For an FPS who's main goal is the singular actions of aiming and shooting, the controller and analog sticks are superior.


Battlefield owns the hell out of Gaylo any day.

You've admittedly never played Halo singleplayer, so your position on the game or story should be taken with a grain of salt. As for the multiplayer, there is nigh a difference between the two games, and thus your comparison is just as m00t.

[Blazur]

A PSWii60 controller is simplified, streamlined. For an RTS, having no keyboard blows. For an FPS who's main goal is the singular actions of aiming and shooting, the controller and analog sticks are superior.

Dude, any true FPS gamer knows how superior a mouse and keyboard is to a joystick. It's not even a debate. You've got full 360 precision control with a flick of the wrist, and a multitude of configurable buttons all just a finger away. Console controls require a modified UI to allow access to all available actions with limited buttons.

Take two players of equal skill but either control scheme and pit them against one another, and the mouse/keyboard player will always win. Dispute this fact and you're simply being naive or thick headed.

[pure.Wasted]

Finished MW single player and I have mixed feelings.

On the one hand, it's really like playing through a movie. It looks gorgeous (the lighting is bar none the best I've ever seen in a game) and it attempts some drama and an actual story, which is a plus. (unfortunately, like in SC's case, 90% of the drama happens in the mission briefings and we don't get to see those. Really, guys? SC was made in 1998...)

On the other hand, it took me until the very end of the game to realize the worst part about it all: I absolutely do not enjoy, in any way whatsoever, the gameplay in this game. It just does nothing for me. It works in the multiplayer I guess, but you can get away with a lot when you're pitting players against each other in competition. But in single player? Any time I came up on a new room we (myself and a team of NPCs) had to clear, I just sighed and hoped the end of the mission was drawing nearer.

Gears of War 2 SP, in fun if nothing else, blows MW2 out of the water.

[DemolitionSquid]

Dude, any true FPS gamer knows how superior a mouse and keyboard is to a joystick. It's not even a debate. You've got full 360 precision control with a flick of the wrist, and a multitude of configurable buttons all just a finger away. Console controls require a modified UI to allow access to all available actions with limited buttons.

Take two players of equal skill but either control scheme and pit them against one another, and the mouse/keyboard player will always win. Dispute this fact and you're simply being naive or thick headed.

Bull-friggin-shit. If you take a m+k FPS player and an analog FPS player and make them play with m+k, then obviously the m+k player will win. But if you take an m+k FPS player and an analog FPS player and make them play with analog, its anyone's game. Not because analog is inferior, but because it is a superior, more streamlined UI that anyone can quickly understand.

Most StarCraft pros are pros because they can do two things: memorize build orders, and effectively fight Starcraft's horrible UI. Its the same with an FPS. People who play FPS m+k are constantly fighting a UI that is completely unneeded. If m+k was better for FPS, then most FPS games wouldn't have joystick imput options, and yet they do.

Analog is the auto-mine, MBS, and auto-cast of the FPS genre. It lets the player do exactly what they want to do, instead of fight with the controls. Superior UI has nothing to do with how much skill it requires to use. In fact its the opposite: a better UI lets more people use it effectively. Thus, analog for FPS wins.

[screw_ball69]

Finished MW single player and I have mixed feelings.

On the one hand, it's really like playing through a movie. It looks gorgeous (the lighting is bar none the best I've ever seen in a game) and it attempts some drama and an actual story, which is a plus. (unfortunately, like in SC's case, 90% of the drama happens in the mission briefings and we don't get to see those. Really, guys? SC was made in 1998...)

On the other hand, it took me until the very end of the game to realize the worst part about it all: I absolutely do not enjoy, in any way whatsoever, the gameplay in this game. It just does nothing for me. It works in the multiplayer I guess, but you can get away with a lot when you're pitting players against each other in competition. But in single player? Any time I came up on a new room we (myself and a team of NPCs) had to clear, I just sighed and hoped the end of the mission was drawing nearer.

Gears of War 2 SP, in fun if nothing else, blows MW2 out of the water.




It basically equates to a game of Whack-A-Mole with a gun.

[Pandonetho]

But if you take an m+k FPS player and an analog FPS player and make them play with analog, its anyone's game.

Not really, playing with analog is much harder.
Ever play Halo 3? I'm sure you have, you're spewing 100% bullshit if you think that someone who just jumped in to analog to play that against a Brigadier rank player is going to stand a fair chance. 100% bullshit. Streamlined my ass.

The only game where someone might stand more of a chance is COD, with its aimbot mechanic and the "die in a couple shots" gameplay where anyone can get lucky.

[DemolitionSquid]

Not really, playing with analog is much harder.
Ever play Halo 3? I'm sure you have, you're spewing 100% bullshit if you think that someone who just jumped in to analog to play that against a Brigadier rank player is going to stand a fair chance. 100% bullshit. Streamlined my ass.

The only game where someone might stand more of a chance is COD, with its aimbot mechanic and the "die in a couple shots" gameplay where anyone can get lucky.

You've played Halo for about 5 minutes. Stop talking about a subject you know almost nothing about.

And stop being a dick to everyone, everywhere. When I do it, I'm funny. You, are just fail. So stop trying, its pathetic.

[Pandonetho]

You've played Halo for about 5 minutes. Stop talking about a subject you know almost nothing about.

You're an idiot. I've played plenty of Halo 3 multiplayer, which the control scheme is what we're talking about here. I've played plenty of games with my Brigadier ranked friend as well. Stop trying to put words in my mouth, the only aspect I played 5 minutes of was the singleplayer. Get it through your brain man.


And stop being a dick to everyone, everywhere. When I do it, I'm funny. You, are just fail. So stop trying, its pathetic.

Nah I'm not being a dick to anyone, you're just PMSing because people disagree with you.

[pure.Wasted]

Not really, playing with analog is much harder.
Ever play Halo 3? I'm sure you have, you're spewing 100% bullshit if you think that someone who just jumped in to analog to play that against a Brigadier rank player is going to stand a fair chance. 100% bullshit. Streamlined my ass.

The only game where someone might stand more of a chance is COD, with its aimbot mechanic and the "die in a couple shots" gameplay where anyone can get lucky.

A newbie playing CS: S will get owned just as hard against someone who's been playing for years, if they both use m+k.

Both are difficult to learn (relatively speaking). The question is whether a 5-year veteran of FPS_GAME_X on PC will consistently beat, or lose to, a 5-year veteran of FPS_GAME_X on X-Box.

[DemolitionSquid]

You're an idiot. I've played plenty of Halo 3 multiplayer, which the control scheme is what we're talking about here. I've played plenty of games with my Brigadier ranked friend as well. Stop trying to put words in my mouth, the only aspect I played 5 minutes of was the singleplayer. Get it through your brain man.

Ah, I misread your posts on MSN then. My bad.

Still doesn't change the fact analog is the better UI for an FPS, though.


Nah I'm not being a dick to anyone, you're just PMSing because people disagree with you.

I haven't seen a post from you in weeks that wasn't insulting someone. Grow a pair.

[Blazur]

Thus, analog for FPS wins.

Man, you've got to be among the 1% of the gaming population foolish enough to admit this. Usually you come off as being reasonably intelligent, and then you make a ludicrous claim like this one?

I'll give you that analog is simpler and easier to pick up, but a m+k is far more flexible and gives a much greater degree of control in this genre. The main reason being that you can spin around quicker. With the exception of L4D which offers a 360 view button, no analog controller allows a player to spin backwards as quickly as a mouse.

I'm convinced anybody claiming a joystiq is the superior input device in an FPS is either naive or an incredible noob.


When I do it, I'm funny. You, are just fail. So stop trying, its pathetic.

It's quite obnoxious, actually. But at least you made me chuckle with this post...

[DemolitionSquid]

Man, you've got to be among the 1% of the gaming population foolish enough to admit this. Usually you come off as being reasonably intelligent, and then you make a ludicrous claim like this one?

I'll give you that analog is simpler and easier to pick up, but a m+k is far more flexible and gives a much greater degree of control in this genre. The main reason being that you can spin around quicker. With the exception of L4D which offers a 360 view button, no analog controller allows a player to spin backwards as quickly as a mouse.

I'm convinced anybody claiming a joystiq is the superior input device in an FPS is either naive or an incredible noob.

I'll start giving a shit about what you say when you can make an argument without calling me names.

Hypocrisy ftw!


It's quite obnoxious, actually. But at least you made me chuckle with this post...

Well I'm glad I could accommodate you.

[Blazur]

I'll start giving a shit about what you say when you can make an argument without calling me names.

That's fine, and I shall continue to disregard yours since you're incapable of respecting others, and you've all but discredited your opinions with a bogus statement of analog being superior over a M+K in an FPS.

Oh and a Wii controller being superior too? Give me a break...

[Zabimaru]

I haven't seen a post from you in weeks that wasn't insulting someone. Grow a pair.

DS has a point...


Regarding FPS I was brought up on both analogue and keyboard +mouse so I really don’t’ mind how the hell I’m playing it... I just need a new one. :p

[DemolitionSquid]

That's fine, and I shall continue to disregard yours since you're incapable of respecting others, and you've all but discredited your opinions with a bogus statement of analog being superior over a M+K in an FPS.

Oh and a Wii controller being superior too? Give me a break...

1. You're Blazur. You have no credit. At all.

2. What exactly is wrong with me preferring analog to m+k for my FPS anyway? Does liking the simplicity and intuitiveness make me a bad person? Fuck no. I'm a bad person because I kick puppies, not because I prefer analog UI.

3. And the Wiimote is the way of the future!

... right after VR.

[Blazur]

1. You're Blazur. You have no credit. At all.

2. What exactly is wrong with me preferring analog to m+k for my FPS anyway? Does liking the simplicity and intuitiveness make me a bad person? Fuck no. I'm a bad person because I kick puppies, not because I prefer analog UI.

3. And the Wiimote is the way of the future!

... right after VR.

You want to make this personal?

1) You're DSquid, so we can all expect a prick response from you in every post. How the mods put up with your bullshit is beyond my comprehension. I'll take the trolls of SC2GDF over your annoying attitude any day.

2) Your preference is your own. But stating analog is superior over a M+K in competitive FPS games is foolish.

3) The Wiimote is fine if you enjoy games with the complexity of checkers.

[DemolitionSquid]

You want to make this personal?

1) You're DSquid, so we can all expect a prick response from you in every post. How the mods put up with your bullshit is beyond my comprehension. I'll take the trolls of SC2GDF over your annoying attitude any day.

2) Your preference is your own. But stating analog is superior over a M+K in competitive FPS games is foolish.

3) The Wiimote is fine if you enjoy games with the complexity of checkers.

1. Butthurt red isn't a good color on you.

2. I don't see a "why" in that statement anywhere. Because we both know it doesn't exist.

3. Whoosh!

[Zabimaru]

It’s getting heated here... let’s just cool it everybody. :)

[sandwich_bird]

Too much flaming/off-topic posts. Closed!