Uanime1 Starcraft 2 Review

[Nissa]

So there's this youtuber guy who isn't very big, but he's like the one guy on youtube who is actually calling out the story of SC2. Everyone else seems either to want to praise it, ignore it, or are simply too cynical to put in the effort. So I'm gonna post it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIZI3gMnlsw&list=PLcD6TKn5OgZfJLZj6ATU1ZtJCr5a4qTOD

It goes through all the games in detail, fair warning.

[Mislagnissa]

So there's this youtuber guy who isn't very big, but he's like the one guy on youtube who is actually calling out the story of SC2. Everyone else seems either to want to praise it, ignore it, or are simply too cynical to put in the effort. So I'm gonna post it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIZI3gMnlsw&list=PLcD6TKn5OgZfJLZj6ATU1ZtJCr5a4qTOD

It goes through all the games in detail, fair warning.

I've seen his videos. Very nice attention to detail.

He isn't the first to analyze in such detail. Unhappy Anchovy did a forum thread on space battles. But yes, it happens rarely.

Wish somebody did the same level of analysis with StarCraft 1. The first trilogy is okay IMO, but it could definitely have been improved and made a number of questionable decisions for the story trajectory. BW is full of plot holes due a rushed plot and development cycle.

[Mislagnissa]

Okay, so I found a let's play review of SC1. It started just this month.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLACFHAM2MlxMyamTipXAUT7giezhfRBtP

Man. That is not flattering at all.

[ragnarok]

It's just another one of your "everything is crap" whines. Not listening to it.

[Turalyon]

It's somewhat amusing how in depth people can go into these analyses despite the stories not supposed to being literary masterpieces and deserving of such attention, but hey, whatever floats your boat, right?

And yes, I do appreciate the hypocrisy of my own statement as it relates to me as well.

EDIT: The guy who made the videos Misla linked is probably the same guy who was on this forum years ago (Pr0nogo). He was a militant hater of Sc2 and general curmudgeon that liked to espouse his subjective bias as unassailable, objective truth. Misla would've liked him.

[Mislagnissa]

It's somewhat amusing how in depth people can go into these analyses despite the stories not supposed to being literary masterpieces and deserving of such attention, but hey, whatever floats your boat, right?

And yes, I do appreciate the hypocrisy of my own statement as it relates to me as well.
Why critically analyze anything at all?

We live in a world where people produce youtube videos reviewing episodes of children’s cartoons. Where people think children’s cartoons are deep now.

The critique by Pr0nogo isn’t necessarily all that deep. Most of it is writing and design 101 stuff. The Starcraft story was clearly thrown together without much care and it shows. That shouldn’t be controversial.

It doesn’t deserve the pedestal that fans place it on.


EDIT: The guy who made the videos Misla linked is probably the same guy who was on this forum years ago (Pr0nogo). He was a militant hater of Sc2 and general curmudgeon that liked to espouse his subjective bias as unassailable, objective truth. Misla would've liked him.

I don’t think I would.

I hate fixating on Starcraft. I don’t like what Blizzard did to the setting. I don’t get along with the fans because we don’t seem to share any tastes. But I can’t stop because there’s nothing else to move on to. I want a different game to fixate on, one that suits my tastes.

(I already dismissed 40k as an option. Gatekeepers tell me that tyranids aren’t allowed to have characters/personalities.)

Somebody told me why I don’t like Starcraft and I think they hit the nail on the head. I was expecting a believable military science fiction story. Blizzard wrote an interpersonal drama falsely dressed up a war story.

I’d sell my soul to devil himself to get the game story that I wanted. I just want a war story about Confederate nations vs Zerg broods vs Protoss tribes. That shouldn’t be too much to ask for, right?

Welp, looks like I’ll have to wait another twenty or thirty years before I get a snowball’s chance in hell of seeing the game that I wanted.

Depressing.

[Turalyon]

Why critically analyze anything at all?

I can only speak for myself, but I do it for fun and to share a different point of view.


It doesn’t deserve the pedestal that fans place it on.

I think you're imagining a "pedestal" that people are putting it on, when all they're expressing is what they find great about it. No-one conflates it to a literary masterpiece, yet you think that people who like it seem to revere it as one.


I already dismissed 40k as an option. Gatekeepers tell me that tyranids aren’t allowed to have characters/personalities.

Eh, WH40K lore is flexible and prone to retcon at any time. Even official lore can be deemed apocryphal leaving you to choose to believe whatever you want to believe in that universe. Tzeentch can vouch for this. Haha!


I was expecting a believable military science fiction story. Blizzard wrote an interpersonal drama falsely dressed up a war story.

Ah, that's your problem. Expectations! It's lucky I generally have low expectations or none when I approach most forms of entertainment.


That shouldn’t be too much to ask for, right?

Hate to say it but yeah, it kinda is....

[ragnarok]

I’d sell my soul to devil himself to get the game story that I wanted. I just want a war story about Confederate nations vs Zerg broods vs Protoss tribes. That shouldn’t be too much to ask for, right?


Relative to you, no. But last I checked, the world doesn't revolve around you.

[Mislagnissa]

Hate to say it but yeah, it kinda is....


Relative to you, no. But last I checked, the world doesn't revolve around you.

How nice of you to be so supportive in my time of need.

[ragnarok]

How nice of you to be so supportive in my time of need.

Considering how you always spat on others' stories and how crappy it is, I'd say the rest is self explanatory

[Mislagnissa]

Considering how you always spat on others' stories and how crappy it is, I'd say the rest is self explanatory

Blizzard's storytelling IS crappy. It's not difficult to poke holes in it.

[ragnarok]

Speak for yourself. Not everyone see is that way. I've seen enough shares of the flaws, but I didn't come to do NOTHING but poke holes.

By comparison, you've done practically nothing BUT poke holes in just about everything. I saw a little of that in the Last of Us 2 thread (though I never played the game, so I didn't bother looking too hard)

[Mislagnissa]

Speak for yourself. Not everyone see is that way. I've seen enough shares of the flaws, but I didn't come to do NOTHING but poke holes.

By comparison, you've done practically nothing BUT poke holes in just about everything. I saw a little of that in the Last of Us 2 thread (though I never played the game, so I didn't bother looking too hard)

Fine. I'm a crappy person who does nothing but poke holes. See, all the stuff I like about Starcraft was the stuff that Metzen bulldozed in favor of his bug girlfriend insert. Confederate nations? Bulldozed. Overmind devotion? Bulldozed. Protoss galactic empire? Bulldozed. That left nothing that I liked in the story and thus no common ground between me and the remaining fans.

Do you think I enjoy criticizing Starcraft? Talking about it feels like bashing my head against cinderblocks. I loved playing it as a kid, sure, but as an adult I find the story bad and I'm upset that I can't find any like-minded people to discuss shared interests with.

I would dearly love to leave this fandom and never return, but I have nowhere else to go. There's no other game in the universe that captures the magic for me. I'd happily make it myself, but I have neither the skills, the resources, or the time.

So I'm bashing my against cinderblocks taking about a game that I don't like because the game that I want doesn't exist. I'm also certainly suffering from other psychological issues that I use Starcraft to suppress or something.

[ragnarok]

Do you think I enjoy criticizing Starcraft?

Given what the people said about you on the battlenet forums (which I'm sure you'll say they'll all retards anyway), I'd say the answer is yes. Seems to me you have nothing better to do than to jab at people.

[Mislagnissa]

Given what the people said about you on the battlenet forums (which I'm sure you'll say they'll all retards anyway), I'd say the answer is yes. Seems to me you have nothing better to do than to jab at people.

Please don’t put words in my mouth.

Those people clearly like space opera. I don’t. I prefer military science fiction.

[ragnarok]

Please don’t put words in my mouth.

Those people clearly like space opera. I don’t. I prefer military science fiction.

Considering that's how you view all stories, even those outside the SC universe, I'd say it's fine to say you'd end up saying they're all retards.

[Mislagnissa]

Considering that's how you view all stories, even those outside the SC universe, I'd say it's fine to say you'd end up saying they're all retards.

I don't think that. You're being really rude.

[ragnarok]

I don't think that. You're being really rude.

Suuuuuuuuure you don't. It's been a while since I visited the battlenet forums, but I've read enough on what you said there.

[Mislagnissa]

Suuuuuuuuure you don't. It's been a while since I visited the battlenet forums, but I've read enough on what you said there.

Because obviously people can’t have psychological problems or change over time or regret past actions.

[ragnarok]

Because obviously people can’t have psychological problems or change over time or regret past actions.

I've seen enough evidence on the battlenet forums to see that if you did change, it wasn't enough. People can change, it doesn't mean they will change.

[Mislagnissa]

I've seen enough evidence on the battlenet forums to see that if you did change, it wasn't enough. People can change, it doesn't mean they will change.

I haven’t been on battlenet in months. You don’t know anything about my life or what I’ve been through. You don’t know what abuses I’ve suffered, what scars I carry on my mind and body.

You don’t know anything about me besides my distaste for Metzen’s writing.

[ragnarok]

I too lived a life of mental abuse, Mislag. But when I talked to the people there, I didn't have this high and mighty mentality of "I'm always right, and everyone else on the planet are mental retards."

[Nissa]

Guys, I created this thread as a discussion of Uanime1, not as an argument thread. Mislag, the only reason nobody knows about you besides your disliking Chris Metzen is because that's the only thing you ever talk about. Rag, you should know by now that no amount of arguing is going to change Mislag's mind. It's just not worth it. Leave it alone. It's just not worth it.

[Mislagnissa]

Guys, I created this thread as a discussion of Uanime1, not as an argument thread. Mislag, the only reason nobody knows about you besides your disliking Chris Metzen is because that's the only thing you ever talk about. Rag, you should know by now that no amount of arguing is going to change Mislag's mind. It's just not worth it. Leave it alone. It's just not worth it.

I’m sorry. I’ll stop.

[ragnarok]

Guys, I created this thread as a discussion of Uanime1, not as an argument thread. Mislag, the only reason nobody knows about you besides your disliking Chris Metzen is because that's the only thing you ever talk about. Rag, you should know by now that no amount of arguing is going to change Mislag's mind. It's just not worth it. Leave it alone. It's just not worth it.

All right.