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Perfecttear
10-30-2009, 04:32 AM
Just a simple poll, for something i'm wondering.:D

Which do you prefere, the 12 hour clock system or the 24 hour clock system ?


Advantages of the 12-hour clock

* Typical analog clock faces are divided into 12 hours, with each hour point in addition serving as five minutes, which lines up well with a 12-hour system.

* Restricting the hour numbers to the range from 1 to 12 can accommodate a preference for monosyllabic words, which applies to many European languages (including English, French, German, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian), in which most of the 12 are monosyllabic, opposed to the 13–24 range, in which none of those numbers are monosyllabic.

* The use of 12 rather than 0 for the first hour of each period avoids using a leading zero.

* Clocks with a chime universally chime between hours 1 to 12, but deviate in approach for hour 0 and hours 13 to 23.




Advantages of the 24-hour clock


* There is no ambiguity between noon or midnight, whereas confusion exists on this issue with the 12-hour system.

* There is no ambiguity between midnight at the start and end of a date, whereas confusion exists on this issue with the 12-hour system.

* The duration of time intervals is easier to see in the 24-hour notation. From 10:30 a.m. until 3:30 p.m. is 5 hours. From 10:30 until 15:30 indicates this more clearly.

* The transition from 23:59 to 00:00, provides a clear reminder that a new date starts, which is less obvious in the equivalent 11:59 p.m. to "12:00 a.m." (midnight) transition.

* The 24-hour notation does not require the suffix "a.m." or "p.m.", making it shorter, which saves space.

* Sorting is more obvious in 24-hour notation. The lexicographical order is the same as the chronological order, a property exploited by ISO 8601. The sequence of 24-hour times 00:30 < 11:30 < 12:30 < 23:30 stays in the same sequence by a lexicographical sort. The same sequence expressed in 12-hour system, would be ordered differently by a lexicographical sort: "11:30 a.m." < "11:30 p.m." < "12:30 a.m." < "12:30 p.m.".

* As digital clocks sometimes provide little indication (often only a dot with no visible label in the dark) of whether the displayed time is a.m. or p.m., there is a tendency to incorrectly set the alarm or the time (or both) on them. The 24-hour system does not have this issue.

* It is possible to differentiate between night and day even in sealed environments, and near the poles with midnight sun, whereas the 12-hour system (at least on clocks with dials) relies on sight, and near sunrise/sunset a guess if the sun going up or down.


Criticism and practical problems

People who grew up with the 24-hour clock see the 12-hour notation as a less practical and outdated convention, especially in the context of written communication, computers and digital clocks. Further, they may be confused when they come across situations very common in Internet forums and email, in which a message indicated as posted at "12:46 am" appears before a message marked "11:05 am". (These arguments may be compared to the discussion on metrication.)

The disadvantages commonly voiced in comparing the 12-hour notation to the 24-hour clock are:

* confusion about the correct notation for noon and midnight
* confusion about the difference between midnight at the start and end of a given date
* The rollover from 12 to 1 happens an hour later than the change between a.m. and p.m.
* It is not immediately clear on an analogue clock whether a time in another time zone is a.m. or p.m.[clarification needed]
* The lexicographical order does not match the chronological order.
* It is more complicated to implement in software and digital electronics.
* Typographically, the a.m. and p.m. terms require more space.


THe 12 hour system is currently the dominant system of time written and spoken in 11 countries , and the 24 hour system is the dominant system of time used in 181 countries.

Yeah i'm bored :p

pure.Wasted
10-30-2009, 04:46 AM
Lemme just save everybody a helluva lot of time and get to the meat of the issue.

Europe > North America.

That is all. :D

Zabimaru
10-30-2009, 04:56 AM
Europe > North America.
Hell yeah. :D

Perfecttear
10-30-2009, 05:10 AM
Europe > North America.
Can't deny it :D

pure.Wasted are you really a Canadian? :p

pure.Wasted
10-30-2009, 06:25 AM
Can't deny it :D

pure.Wasted are you really a Canadian? :p

1 year ago, give or take a few days, my life was split exactly in half between Canada and pre-Canada. ;)

Hey, don't get me wrong, I'll give these guys the props they deserve. But it'd be unreasonable to expect them to measure up to 2000+ years of awesome history.

Alzarath
10-30-2009, 08:24 AM
Definitely 24 hours. I just think it'd be easier to use.

Perfecttear
10-30-2009, 08:54 AM
Okay i just want to clarify , that the point of this poll is not start an argument or start a flame war on which is bether, i just want to see, how many people prefer the 24 hour system, and would maybe like it , if it would be avaible here (as an option) on SCL.


"People who grew up with the 24-hour clock see the 12-hour notation as a less practical and outdated convention, especially in the context of written communication, computers and digital clocks. Further, they may be confused when they come across situations very common in Internet forums and email, in which a message indicated as posted at "12:46 am" appears before a message marked "11:05 am". (These arguments may be compared to the discussion on metrication.)"

Visions of Khas
10-30-2009, 09:18 AM
I was at the hospital talking to surgeons, and they somehow got from the topic of the medical inaccuracies of House, MD to the metric system and lamented America's use of ye olde imperial system, and inflexibility in general. It's really quite sad how hard it is for us to get up-to-date with the rest of the world. I personally prefer the 12 hour system but that's ONLY because that's the only one I've used. I'd LOVE to get out of having to ask, "AM or PM?" I've had so many problems trying to clarify that lately.

Voted 24.

Ghost_828
10-30-2009, 10:09 AM
24-hour clock is superior. Although you must have been exceedingly bored to create this thread, Perfecttear.

Perfecttear
10-30-2009, 10:25 AM
Well Ghost_828 i only made this threas, because of AJ, since he said there is no use of having an 24 hour system here on SCL, since almost nobody use it.
So i'm wondering if this is really the case :p

DemolitionSquid
10-30-2009, 11:32 AM
12. Because I'm a rebel. Grr.

Zabimaru
10-30-2009, 11:49 AM
12. Because I'm a rebel. Grr.

You will conform!!! Rrraaa!!

Perfecttear
10-30-2009, 04:58 PM
12. Because I'm a rebel. Grr.

Since when :p

Norfindel
10-30-2009, 05:23 PM
Yeah, i always get confused on 12 am/pm.

n00bonicPlague
10-30-2009, 07:01 PM
http://www.metricclock.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_time

Pandonetho
10-31-2009, 01:59 AM
I prefer the 12 hour clock system because there are painfully obvious ways to tell when it's PM, such as when the sun is shining. And when it's AM, such as when the sky is black.

Also, I don't know, there's something called a "PM/AM" indicator on every digital 12 hour clock.

It's also much more simple than having to subtract 12 from any hour past 12 on the 24 hour clock to get the time.

Case in point, I've never ever had any problems with the 12 hour clock system, not once have I ever been confused about AM or PM.

Edit:

Although you must have been exceedingly bored to create this thread, Perfecttear.
Also, it's painfully obvious this did not take much time to make, just look at the vocabulary and good spelling and grammar, clearly a copy and paste for anyone who's seen perfecttear's posts.

screw_ball69
10-31-2009, 10:48 AM
I use the 24 hour system...tho I have a binary watch that goes by the 12 hour system.

GentleBen
10-31-2009, 01:00 PM
I'm in the Army which uses the 24 hour system, but I still use the 12 hour system no matter what :)

Islandsnake
11-01-2009, 12:12 AM
I prefer the 12 hour system.

Its what im used too, plus I don't see the difficulty in telling the difference between AM and PM i mean its 2 extra letters XX:XX vs XX:XX(am/pm) its not a big deal and half the time you KNOW what time it is just because of the situation your in.

Not sure about the clock thing, but whenever I look up other timezones I never get confused.

Plus I like AM and PM, something about the title of it...and I don't think anything could get me to change, which mean my kids will probably grow up this way too.


System comparisons always come up and the agruments pretty much look the same.

If a new keyboard came out that was x10000 more "efficient" than qwerty theirs no way in hell I would ever switch.

Same with measurements
Same With Clocks
Same with Keyboards.

Even though I can read time in military time, and measure things in the other system...its still feels foreign and I have a higher chance of being confused when someone randomly starts using those.

I think the best way to go about it is learn both or at least be aware of both and pick what you prefer, either way its probably going to be what the majority of the people around you use. If I moved to another country though I would still use my clocks, but I would learn to think in the other fashion just as well.

Novasquadron
11-01-2009, 02:43 AM
Either one works for me.
But why dont we go further?
Can we add Zulu time?

Yeah...12hrs...24hrs...Zulu...
I believe it is all the same.
Just lets you know what time it is only in different ways. :D