TeamLiquid Campaign Poll

[Gradius]

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/single-player/498994-massive-campaign-poll

Somewhat interesting because of its somewhat high sample size. Here's some of my conclusions (feel free to disagree):

- Best campaign is Legacy of the Void, but the prologue and epilogue drag it down.
- Best characters are Zeratul, Abathur, then Alarak. All aliens.
- Worst character is Amon. Probably because everything is retconned to be his fault and all he has is Diablo 3 style taunts. Worst real character is Hanson.
- Best protagonist is Raynor, or Nova if we count Covert Ops. Kerrigan is the most controversial.
- There are more people who's favorite was the epilogue instead of LoTV prologue (literally only 1 guy of 203). Guess people hate prophecies. Who would have guessed? Oh wait, me and everyone else when WoL was released. :p
- Best villain is Mengsk (ugh). SC2 just had ѕhitty villains now that I think about it. Literally nobody was good.
- Best lab technician is Abathur.
- Best sidekick is Horner.
- People are really split on Vorazun. On one hand she's a generic good guy and a copy of her mother. On the other, there's nothing really wrong with her and she didn't blink at volunteering to blown up her own freaking planet. That deserves props.

[ragnarok]

That poll is over 2 years old, Gradius. I'm guessing people have changed their minds on some things since then

[Gradius]

That poll is over 2 years old, Gradius. I'm guessing people have changed their minds on some things since then
1. Not everyone thinks about the SC2 campaign story every day like you. Some people play it once and forget about it.
2. Not everyone voted 2 years ago. You can still vote today.

[Turalyon]

Best characters are Zeratul

Zeratul!? He's hardly in Sc2 and when he is... well, it isn't really Zeratul is it? I guess everyone must like him because he has the most action scenes (two againts Kerri and one with Arty ending in his sacrifice).


Best protagonist is Raynor

And yet he's not voted as one of the "best characters" in general? Curious.


Best villain is Mengsk (ugh). SC2 just had ѕhitty villains now that I think about it. Literally nobody was good.

Considering that the only other alternative in villainy is Amon (who is also voted the worst character), it has to be Mengsk by default... He did feature, more or less, in two-thirds of the trilogy afterall.

[Gradius]

I really don’t think this poll is an indicator of quality. People just voted for characters they thought were fun.

[ragnarok]

1. Not everyone thinks about the SC2 campaign story every day like you. Some people play it once and forget about it.
2. Not everyone voted 2 years ago. You can still vote today.

1. I'll give you that, that's what happened with all 3 CoD MW games: too many played the campaign only once, and from that point on it's all multiplayer. Maybe they also didn't invest too much into it.

2. For what? Last time I checked TL (which was well over a year ago) they disliked the storyline.

[ragnarok]

And yet he's not voted as one of the "best characters" in general? Curious.


I'm willing to bet people felt he was too damn stupid. The transponder in Tychus's suit was discovered mid-way through the campaign, and Raynor knew Tychus had a gun to his head, but he didn't investigate this further. Furthermore, this was before Valerian even told him about what the artifact might do, so at that point in time Raynor only saw the artifact as a way to fund his revolution, it had nothing to do with Kerrigan.

Now sure, it might not have been possible to remove the transponder, but Raynor could have at least tried to figure out who was behind it. Even at the beginning of HotS Kerrigan was telling Raynor that maybe he should have let Tychus shoot her.

That's my guess on why the fans didn't vote for him that way.

[Turalyon]

^ Uhhh, I was just remarking on how curious it is that Raynor was voted "best protagonist" but not one of the "best characters". I have no idea what you're going on about here though.

[KaiserStratosTygo]

I weep for the human race seeing Zeratul get that many five stars, he really sucked in this game.

[Nissa]

When comparing parts of SC2 to other parts of SC2, a piece of crap is going to inevitably be on top. I will say, though, I actually love Tychus Findlay as a character. Granted, his storyline is complete crap from beginning to end, but he himself is the only thing in SC2 with real Starcraft "flavor" -- the redneckness, the dialogue, the impulsive actions, and such is just so Sarge and Lester, so to speak. If he were just some side character attached to the campaign, he would work fine. Trying to make him plot important is what ruined him.

[ragnarok]

I weep for the human race seeing Zeratul get that many five stars, he really sucked in this game.

I take it you still concur with what the battlenet forums say then, that Zeratul's character died when WoL was out?

[drakolobo]

I'm curious about the logic behind the background of tychus is a crap

[Nissa]

I'm curious about the logic behind the background of tychus is a crap

Huh? Dude has background?

Uh, well, I think I get the gist of your question. Well, from what I heard, he was just some guy they created specifically for the Starcraft II trailer. But he was so popular in the trailer, that Blizzard decided to go ahead and shove him into the already formed WoL story, shuffling around whatever plot elements necessary to make him work. However, I also heard from Brian Kindregan, a writer of SC2, that he was hired to take the huge mess that was WoL's plot at that point, and make sense of it. So....yeah.

Basically I'm just whining that Tychus was part of a Mengsk-led conspiracy, despite the fact that it makes no sense, creates a large number of plot holes, and has a stupid payoff. I like him as a character, though.

[ragnarok]

His reason for going along with Mengsk made sense. His mentality was that Raynor would eventually get over Kerrigan because he'd have to realize she died when the Zerg infested her back on Tarsonis. This was still his mentality even before the All In mission. Despite what Valerian said, Tychus didn't seem convinced the artifact would really do what Raynor thinks it would.

[sandwich_bird]

It's not his mentality that made no sense, It's the entirety of that plot thread...

[ragnarok]

It's not his mentality that made no sense, It's the entirety of that plot thread...

Tychus felt what Mengsk told him about having Kerrigan killed made sense because of the threat she posed, the transponder was added because Mengsk knew that with Tychus being close to Raynor for too long might cause Raynor to convince him to do otherwise.

[drakolobo]

there is nothing illogical tychus is just a spy, for control to Raynor,with difficulties communicating with arcturus,by hyperion sensors . there is no conspiracy based in which improbable things happen like deisnfested kerrigan posibility , simply the opportunity occurred on the progress since Arturus had a trigger in the moment he take advantage of it(this is canon ), even shows the gray morality of Raynor is a good guy but when he has to choose he assumes the price, and he has shown that it can be cruel, here the only one with the strongest moral is Matt Horner


Rayno is of relaxed morals not afraid of knowing the nobility protoss does not question kill protoss or steal for their own benefit, defend kerriganif it shows the typical behavior of a lover who justifies his partner (regardless of whether he is in debate his guilt), he recognizes it is very similar to Tosh, the way he treats the protos is as if the friendship that he obtained with the protoss he was with specific individuals, not with the race in spite of repeating it he prefers the humans always, which is notorious because the protoss have him in great esteem

[Turalyon]

there is nothing illogical tychus is just a spy, for control to Raynor,with difficulties communicating with arcturus,by hyperion sensors . there is no conspiracy based in which improbable things happen like deisnfested kerrigan posibility , simply the opportunity occurred on the progress since Arturus had a trigger in the moment he take advantage of it(this is canon )

So is it all random stuff just happening or is it a contrived coincidence? I'm not sure which one is better than the other.

[ragnarok]

Raynor is of relaxed morals not afraid of knowing the nobility protoss does not question kill protoss or steal for their own benefit, defend kerriganif it shows the typical behavior of a lover who justifies his partner (regardless of whether he is in debate his guilt), he recognizes it is very similar to Tosh, the way he treats the protos is as if the friendship that he obtained with the protoss he was with specific individuals, not with the race in spite of repeating it he prefers the humans always, which is notorious because the protoss have him in great esteem

Yeah I never really understood how Raynor felt about the protoss as a whole race. Back in the SC1 days when Aldaris and Artanis went to retrieve Tassadar from Char, it was clear Raynor could see Aldaris's arrogance. Then again, I'm unsure how many protoss he's associated with lower down the chain and all that.

This was somewhat seen in the Evolution book too, where although the higher-ups are cordial, the lower ranked protoss still hold the Dominion people in a low regard.