Psionic Power Levels Chart [Post SC2]

[Gradius]

Here's an updated version of my old psionic power levels chart thread (http://sclegacy.com/forums/showthread.php?2105-Psionic-Power-Levels-Chart&highlight=Psionic+Power+Levels+Chart). I didn't want to defile it with info from the epilogue, so I'm making a new thread. Again, pretty much all this is just rampant speculation on my part except where it gives PI levels for some terran characters in the lore.

Logarithmic Scale - Character
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1.5 - Average Human
3.5 - Malcolm Kelerchian (Wrangler)
4.5 - Aal Cistler
5.5 - Average Ghost
5.5 - Delta Emblock
6.5 - Kath Toom (%)
6.5 - Average Spectre
7.0 - Gabriel Tosh (%)
7.5 - Colin Phash
8.5 - Jackson Hauler (%)
9 - Gestalt Zero
10 - Sarco Angelini
10 - Sarah Kerrigan (Human)
10 - Nova
13 - Average Khalai Protoss
13 - Fenix
14 - Protoss/Zerg Hybrid Flashpoint Strain (Newly Awakened)
16 - Karax
40 - Average Zealot
60 - Ji'nara (base form)
70 - Alarak (base form)
80 - Average Dark Templar
80 - Selendis
90 - Aldaris
95 - Average High Templar
100 - Raszagal (old)
100 - Vorazun
100 - Hybrid Nemesis
100 - Kerrigan (before Amerigo raid, and after deinfestation)
100 - Zamara
100 - Zeratul
110 - Artanis
110 - Lekila
115 - Hybrid Reaver
115 - Alarak (Terrazine and Supplicant Empowerment)
120 - Raszagal (young)
120 - Tassadar (khalai)
120 - Kerrigan (after getting deinfested)
125 - Kerrigan (after Amerigo raid)
130 - Tassadar (twilight)
130 - Hybrid Destroyer
135 - Voice in the Darkness
135 - Ma'lash (Terrazine and Supplicant Empowerment)
140 - Average Archon
140 - Narud
150 - Primal Kerrigan
160 - Adun (twilight)
200 - Hybrid Behemoth
250 - Hybrid Dominator
280 - Maar
300 - Ulrezaj
400 - Phoenix Creature
500 - Amon (Aiur Host Body)
1000 - Ouros (in the void)
1000 - Amon (in the void)
1500 - Ascended Kerrigan

[ragnarok]

I'm surprised you put Ulrezaj above Amon's host body, Gradius. Any reason for that? We know Ulrezaj is powerful, but I think you're making him a bit too OPed. Going toe to toe against primal Kerrigan makes sense, but still...

Not sure about hybrid dominators and behemoths, at least for the latter. The former to be higher than primal Kerrigan makes sense, as we already saw in HotS they could still psionically drain her just fine, but I'm unsure about the latter.

Surprised you didn't put the Tal'darim blood hunters on the list. If you did NOT click on the Blood Hunters section until AFTER the 3rd Ulnar mission, Rohana admitted that those Tal'darim warriors are unlike anything she ever encountered.

[Visions of Khas]

I'm surprised you put Ulrezaj above Amon's host body
Yeah, there's no reason for that. Ulrezaj must be weaker than Amon's physical form.

Ulrezaj's form was formidable, but he couldn't destroy entire bases with the flick of a hand, or withstand orbital bombardment from multiple fleets.

[ragnarok]

Yeah, there's no reason for that. Ulrezaj must be weaker than Amon's physical form.

Ok yes the Xel'Naga don't seem to have very good fighting abilities, but in that sense that could be another reason for why Amon needed a host body in the first place. It's possible that the Xel'Naga, along with the whole ascension process, was never intended to have offensive fighting ability, and Ouros merely made an exception to this for Kerrigan.

Besides otherwise you'd just be making Ulrezaj way too OPed. If he was really that powerful, then how the hell could Zamara have even trapped him in the khaydarin crystal at Elhna in the first place?

[Gradius]

Fair enough I'll change it. I just remember being underwhelmed by Amon's one laser that destroyed our base, whereas Ulrezaj dished out a fuck-ton of damage to 3 armies. He killed a dozen mutalisks with one attack, survived dozens of scourges dive-bombing him while guardians were assaulting him in the background as he was busy destroying pretty much everyone else. Any zerg that went too close to him turned to ash.

[ragnarok]

You may also want to make Zamara's psionic power a bit higher, since she's the one who trapped Ulrezaj in the first place.

Personally I never felt Ulrezaj was really THAT powerful as you're implying. Remember, even in the DT Saga book, zerg scourges could hurt him, and those aren't very strong....


I just remember being underwhelmed by Amon's one laser that destroyed our base, whereas Ulrezaj dished out a fuck-ton of damage to 3 armies.

Oh that. Well remember what Karax said at the beginning of the mission: if the development of Amon's body continued, even the Protoss' strongest weapons would be useless against him. It seemed to me that the Daelaam destroyed all the Void Shards before the host body could be finished.

Amon merely had enough and decided to use the host body, and didn't think Artanis would order every ship to fire on it. We saw nothing of the sort like that happen on Ehlna. Something tells me Ulrezaj would not have survived if EVERY Protoss ship in the fleet arrived and fired on him...

The bottom line is that Amon's host body was destroyed almost the moment it woke up, before it had a chance to do ANYTHING. Ulrezaj, by comparison, had more time to do things, I think it was because people were caught off-guard by him being there, whereas everyone knew exactly where Amon was, and merely needed to blow the Void Shards to remove the protection barrier.

[Gradius]

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Personally I never felt Ulrezaj was really THAT powerful as you're implying. Remember, even in the DT Saga book, zerg scourges could hurt him, and those aren't very strong....
It was "dozens" of them, and they're designed to blow up giant starships.


Oh that. Well remember what Karax said at the beginning of the mission: if the development of Amon's body continued, even the Protoss' strongest weapons would be useless against him. It seemed to me that the Daelaam destroyed all the Void Shards before the host body could be finished.
Well, he should be rated at the level he was actually at, not the potential he had.

[ragnarok]

It was "dozens" of them, and they're designed to blow up giant starships.



I never said it was only a few. And in any case having all the Daelaam ships fire on Amon's host body would result in more destruction than just scourges' kamikaze attacks.

Now, as for the level he was actually at and not the potential he had, this is why I believe that the Xel'Naga had really high psionic power in every area except offensive fighting abilities. Granted we don't really know why that's the case though....

[TheEconomist]

It appears that SC is keeping up with the Western trend in fiction of having its most powerful entities have much lower power levels than random anime kids.

[Visions of Khas]

Gradius, what is your reasoning for placing Alarak so far below Malash?

[ragnarok]

Gradius, what is your reasoning for placing Alarak so far below Malash?

Tell me something VoK: do you know the difference between the levels from the ascendants? Because if you recall, Alarak started off as a 4th Ascendant, not 1st. I'm wondering if Gradius is trying to take that into account or something.

[Gradius]

Gradius, what is your reasoning for placing Alarak so far below Malash?
Basically this paragraph from the short story:

The Highlord did not like his tone. "Understand this, Alarak. I felt the full measure of yourpower at the Pits of Ascension. I know how strong you are." The Highlord's hand lashed outand clamped down on Alarak's face, gripping his cheeks just beneath his eyes. Ma'lashroughly lifted Alarak upward, holding him aloft as he had held Nuroka above the pit. Alarakdid not resist. Ma'lash's words came with the force of a meteor storm. "Challenge me, and I 25will crush you. Challenge me, and you will beg me for a death as swift as Nuroka's. Do youunderstand?"

[Visions of Khas]

So you consider Artanis' Templar's support as supplicants as the only reason Alarak won?

[Gradius]

So you consider Artanis' Templar's support as supplicants as the only reason Alarak won?
Pretty much. What do you think?

[Visions of Khas]

I'll have to re-read that short story. The only thing I'm going off of now is the Rak'shir mission; Rohana comments that Alarak and Ma'lash are equally matched without supplicants. But of course this could be simple game mechanics.

[Nolanstar]

Why is the hybrid nemesis below the behemoth? I know they don't really have enough info but the behemoth is not exactly famous for psi-attacks, rather brute (probably psi-supported) strength

[Gradius]

Why is the hybrid nemesis below the behemoth? I know they don't really have enough info but the behemoth is not exactly famous for psi-attacks, rather brute (probably psi-supported) strength
Reaver, destroyer, nemesis = regular hybrid units
Dominator, Behemoth = super hybrid units

[ragnarok]

By the way Gradius, since you said it yourself it was dozens of scourge that hurt ulrezaj, you may have to remember that dozens of scourge isn't enough to kill dozens of void rays, carriers, tempests, etc.

Bottom line is it takes more than ONE scourge to kill one ship, something we've all known since SC1. Given that it took dozens (if not more) of Daelaam ships to kill Amon's host body....


Reaver, destroyer, nemesis = regular hybrid units
Dominator, Behemoth = super hybrid units

Then why put the destroyer as the strongest of the 3 regular ones? It does have the weakest stats....

[ragnarok]

I'll have to re-read that short story. The only thing I'm going off of now is the Rak'shir mission; Rohana comments that Alarak and Ma'lash are equally matched without supplicants. But of course this could be simple game mechanics.

It shouldn't have been. If neither had support, Ma'lash should have been able to push Alarak back, though at a slower rate. Alarak started off as a 4th Ascendant, which would have been a lot lower in power level compared to the 1st ascendant and highlord status...

[Gradius]

I forgot that literally every vessel fired. The in game cinematic makes it look like just the spear, cybros, and a carrier or 2 had actually fired.


Then why put the destroyer as the strongest of the 3 regular ones? It does have the weakest stats....
It's the weakest physically, but it's supposed to be the "psionic" hybrid, which is what this ranking is about.

[ragnarok]

I forgot that literally every vessel fired. The in game cinematic makes it look like just the spear, cybros, and a carrier or 2 had actually fired.



It's ok, it happens. Plus given that the Cybros warship is almost the size of the Spear of Adun itself, I'm willing to bet a few dozen scourges isn't actually enough to bring it down.


It's the weakest physically, but it's supposed to be the "psionic" hybrid, which is what this ranking is about.

I guess that will kind of have to depend if you want to view it from a lore or gameplay POV. Because in the latter, they weren't very strong, we knew that since the "In Utter Darkness" mission. Although if we were to use that excuse, Ascended Kerrigan would rank much lower since she really wasn't THAT impressive in the "Amon's Fall" mission.

[Nolanstar]

That cinematic where they incinerate he host body is scary when you realise that that it literally took and absorbed planet-destroying firepower...

[Visions of Khas]

^--- On top of that, Cybros was a weapon platform capable of incinerating the life-supporting ecosystem of an entire planet with a single volley. (Note the vague way I phrased that. While it could have been a plasma discharge, it could have just as likely been something similar to a neutron bomb.) While it's likely Cybros' output was modified to preserve Aiur, the thought of anything surviving a direct hit from that, much less needing ample support from multiple warships to finish the job, is terrifying.

However, we also have to note that Alarak seemed confident that Amon could have been eliminated with a full-scale planetary bombardment from the Daelaam. This strategy, of course, we vetoed by Artanis, who favored a more tactically precise plan that mitigated harm to Aiur. Perhaps Alarak simply underestimated Amon because he didn't know the full scale of the Xel'Naga's defenses; or Alarak wanted to destroy as many Templar as possible along with Amon, regardless of his defenses.

[Nolanstar]

Yeah, considering based on the comics a handful of carriers (even the SC2 smaller ones) can completely fuck up a planet, and the Spear of Adun is stated to being able to destroy planets, (Motherships are probably in between that and carriers) that's a very scary thought that it survived and absorbed enough energy that the overminds several klick corpse was only partially destroyed. That has to count for something...

[ragnarok]

That cinematic where they incinerate he host body is scary when you realise that that it literally took and absorbed planet-destroying firepower...

Endion was a moon, not a planet.

And Cybros did not destroy Endion, merely burned the surface of it. I'm willing to bet Endion is much smaller than Aiur, so in terms of a planet, it's more like continent-purifying power.



However, we also have to note that Alarak seemed confident that Amon could have been eliminated with a full-scale planetary bombardment from the Daelaam. This strategy, of course, we vetoed by Artanis, who favored a more tactically precise plan that mitigated harm to Aiur. Perhaps Alarak simply underestimated Amon because he didn't know the full scale of the Xel'Naga's defenses; or Alarak wanted to destroy as many Templar as possible along with Amon, regardless of his defenses.

Probably a combination of both. If it's the former, it would at least be an attempt by Blizzard to try to make Amon more powerful, since overall in LotV he wasn't all that impressive. Hell, he was more powerful in WoL and HotS when we didn't know much about him.

[Nolanstar]

Endion was a moon, not a planet.

And Cybros did not destroy Endion, merely burned the surface of it. I'm willing to bet Endion is much smaller than Aiur, so in terms of a planet, it's more like continent-purifying power.



Probably a combination of both. If it's the former, it would at least be an attempt by Blizzard to try to make Amon more powerful, since overall in LotV he wasn't all that impressive. Hell, he was more powerful in WoL and HotS when we didn't know much about him.

Did you miss the Spear of Adun, and Fleets of Motherships and Carriers firing at the same time

[Gradius]

Endion was a moon, not a planet.

And Cybros did not destroy Endion, merely burned the surface of it. I'm willing to bet Endion is much smaller than Aiur, so in terms of a planet, it's more like continent-purifying power.
Earth or Aiur could also be moons as long as they're orbiting a larger planet.

[ragnarok]

Earth or Aiur could also be moons as long as they're orbiting a larger planet.

Interesting. I'm curious though: just how many articles have theorized this whole time the Earth is a moon?

[drakolobo]

Interesting. I'm curious though: just how many articles have theorized this whole time the Earth is a moon?

He talks about that there are earth-sized moons orbiting around gaseous planets, the term moon is not a fixed term of scale since it rotates around a planet, it is already considered a moon, if the earth revolves around it Jupiter would be a moon
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Lunas.jpg

[Nolanstar]

Interesting. I'm curious though: just how many articles have theorized this whole time the Earth is a moon?

Moon just means orbiting a planet, as Drakolobo said if a earth-sized planet is orbiting a much larger planet, it is a moon.

[ragnarok]

Moon just means orbiting a planet, as Drakolobo said if a earth-sized planet is orbiting a much larger planet, it is a moon.

That's true, I'll keep this in mind.