Diablo 3, is it really gonna be good?

[sandwich_bird]

So what do you think?

Imo it won't beat the success of his predecessors. The game is so old school and without much depth, I believe it will just be over eclipsed by every other popular game that will be released when he'll be out. Indeed, what's new in this game compared to every other rpg? Nothing! In fact, I think the franchise lost more than it gained. Yay a new graphic engine! But what is it good for if they changed the overall art direction (no I won't start the debate again) and so completely lost the diablo feel. Even the new Diablo look is weaker than the original. Instead of looking like a demon, the new Diablo looks like a burning hydralisk. The cinematic trailer is so cheesy compared to this one

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Which is way more dramatic and "disturbing". The music is also more dramatic in the D2 trailer. They tried too much to get all epic with the DIII trailer and by doing so lost sight of what is Diablo.

The "new" classes are really a disappointment to me as well. I mean I go on D2 fan sites and most people come up with so much more interesting and original ideas than a freaking wizard or a monk.

The only real reasons why it will sell is because of how much people loved the first and 2nd one (which were pretty good for their time) and because WoW players will be interested in it. The staff doesn't really look interested in the project either (except bashiok of course, this guy is awesome but then again he isn’t really working on the project either). Just read this interview http://www.planetdiablo.com/features/articles/jlove101309/index.shtml. The guy sounds so bored of the game. It doesn’t seem like the development is going anywhere.

[screw_ball69]

Diablo, much like pizza and sex, even when its bad, its still good.

[Blazur]

Diablo3 is gonna rock, no doubt. Just hope they can come up with some variety in their classes and not fall back on commonly used abilities.

[n00bonicPlague]

I've never played any of the diablo games, but by looking at D3's trailer and comparing it to D2's, the latter looks legitimately dark and forboding, while the former looks like some cheap, cheesy, asspull, final fantasy bullshit. I mean listen to this: "I don't think it's safe here." Could you choose anything lamer than that?

EDIT: Found this on youtube......

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[Norfindel]

RPG? That's insulting... Where's the interaction and player choice? It would be much more accurate to say it's a hack and slash game. For RPGs go to Bethesda.


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[Visions of Khas]

Even the new Diablo look is weaker than the original.
I for one really like the new Diablo. It seems more alien and terrifying, not bending to our common conception of the Devil. Lore-wise, I think its new graceful figure derives from the fact that Leah de Soto is used as the host for the remnants of the essence of the Three. A female Diablo? That's something different.

The Diablo 3 cinematic attempts to feature a broader, more epic setting than the previous Diablos. D1 and D2 focused on just a handful of warriors taking on the Burning Hells. These skirmishes were so small that the greater world still believes they never took place. I think D3 will bring it the greater part of Sanctuary into the conflict.

[DemolitionSquid]

D3, not epic?

This is blasphemy!
This is madness!

Madness?

THIS

IS

SANCTUARY!

*kicks sandwich_bird into The Pit*

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Seriously though, your memory of D2 is a joke. It was extremely vibrant and bright. The skill system was full of weak and unused skills. The classes overlapped. The stat system was broken. The economy was broken. You actually had to exit the game and visit a website to make a viable character.

D3 is going to fix the numerous flaws of D2, and bring the game back to D1's gory glory.

[Xyvik]

RPG? That's insulting... Where's the interaction and player choice? It would be much more accurate to say it's a hack and slash game. For RPGs go to Bethesda.


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Pfft. Bethesda can't do RPGs right either, unless of course you're primarily a console player and didn't notice how Oblivion and Fallout 3 were royally screwed over by a massive lack of depth.

Hack n Slash is a good part of "lite-RPG" fair and one I actually enjoy. I do not, however, enjoy Diablo. Any game that uses an iteration of the tired old story of "hey look, it's the Devil and Hell, let's kill 'em!" is instantly relegated to the trash heap of my collection. That, and I could just never get into it easily. Maybe it's because I came to it late and it never worked properly on my computer.

And yes, I am now prepared to be burned to a crisp. :p

[n00bonicPlague]

RPG? That's insulting... Where's the interaction and player choice? It would be much more accurate to say it's a hack and slash game. For RPGs go to Bethesda.
I think the term was being used loosely.

It is an RPG in that you choose a role to play, but it's not the traditional turn-based RPG.


Pfft. Bethesda can't do RPGs right either, unless of course you're primarily a console player and didn't notice how Oblivion and Fallout 3 were royally screwed over by a massive lack of depth.

Hack n Slash is a good part of "lite-RPG" fair and one I actually enjoy. I do not, however, enjoy Diablo. Any game that uses an iteration of the tired old story of "hey look, it's the Devil and Hell, let's kill 'em!" is instantly relegated to the trash heap of my collection. That, and I could just never get into it easily. Maybe it's because I came to it late and it never worked properly on my computer.

And yes, I am now prepared to be burned to a crisp. :plol, it's all good. I think it's just a matter of story-line taste. A game with such a straight-forward story will be a nice thing for those who must be getting pretty tired of the average modern RPG (where the whiny emo Billy Derangashai must restore the Ethereal Light to the Seven Shards of Kozal lest the metrosexual evil lord Diminytus Maxium take control of the Five Dimensions of Slavantiosa, yet he is doomed to discover that the crazy-hot Queen Shaskanai is his mother and that he is the heir of Slavantiosa and brother of Sarah Chabloski — the girl he just slept with last night).

Sometimes people just need a simple story where they can go kill the devil.
It provides an escape from their overcomplicated lives,
while the average RPG is an escape for those with boring lives.

[sandwich_bird]

D3, not epic?

This is blasphemy!
This is madness!

Madness?

THIS

IS

SANCTUARY!

*kicks sandwich_bird into The Pit*

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Seriously though, your memory of D2 is a joke. It was extremely vibrant and bright. The skill system was full of weak and unused skills. The classes overlapped. The stat system was broken. The economy was broken. You actually had to exit the game and visit a website to make a viable character.

D3 is going to fix the numerous flaws of D2, and bring the game back to D1's gory glory. You do have some points there, DII was far from perfect. Another good example would be how repetitive the quests were. Most of the time, the only stuff you were supposed to do was go kill someone or go get something (or of course kill someone to get something). They did say they were gonna improve on this as well in DIII. Even with all his flaws though, DII was great. I guess screw_ball69 is right.

Though I still firmly reject Diablo's look.



I for one really like the new Diablo. It seems more alien and terrifying, not bending to our common conception of the Devil. Lore-wise, I think its new graceful figure derives from the fact that Leah de Soto is used as the host for the remnants of the essence of the Three. A female Diablo? That's something different.Alien? Yes indeed but more terrifying? I don't know... I don't believe they should go away from our conception of the Devil. An alien Diablo just doesn't feel right for me. Then again, we didn't see much of the new Diablo. Maybe when you really see him as a whole you get that Devil feeling a bit more.

[screw_ball69]

What is this new diablo you guys keep referring to, I was under the impression he still looked the same.

[sandwich_bird]

What is this new diablo you guys keep referring to, I was under the impression he still looked the same.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHpjE4FQlO8 at 1:45

[screw_ball69]

Thats not so bad at all. I see no issue with the new design.

[supersonic]

Personally I couldn't stand play D1 or D2, because of the fact that some classes really weren't fun to play at all, and for the class you picked you would be spamming the same spell over and over again at hordes of monsters through pretty bland feeling dungeons, not to mention the absolutely horrible control scheme and bad UI.

But from playing D3 at Blizzcon 2009 I can say that D3 is definitely something I would pick up, as compared to D2, the game feels like it has worlds more class depth and the controls feels natural and fluent, while leaving a decent but of strategy for a Hack n Slash game.

D3 has a lot more depth, and is way friendlier to play than the old clunky D2, and I thought was every bit as gory as the first 2, if not more. As for you wanting it more "dark" I guess that preference, but I've never really found any games, or even movies for that matter, to be that "scary" or "dark" factor unless it was something like a huge organization ie: the government was way corrupt and plotting pretty messed up stuff, or just plain messed up stuff.

Neither of which I thought D1 or 2 was like, I thought it was more of a badass, killing demons, kinda idea, where the only thing that should really scare you is someone who's a lot more powerful than you (lore wise). Which is what your concern is with the new Diablo, although I don't really have a problem with how he looks.

[Alzarath]

Diablo 1? Hated it. Why? Cuz I couldn't get through the first dungeon. It may have just been me at the time, but that game was SERIOUSLY hard.

Diablo 2? Loved it. Why? I just found it really fun to play, especially with friends.

Diablo 3? Suspected lust. Why? It looks awesome. Simple as that.



Regardless of anyone thinking it looks bad, you're still gonna pick it up (or pirate it... >.>). Blizzard is the best gaming company in the world and you know it.

[Norfindel]

Pfft. Bethesda can't do RPGs right either, unless of course you're primarily a console player and didn't notice how Oblivion and Fallout 3 were royally screwed over by a massive lack of depth.

Hack n Slash is a good part of "lite-RPG" fair and one I actually enjoy. I do not, however, enjoy Diablo. Any game that uses an iteration of the tired old story of "hey look, it's the Devil and Hell, let's kill 'em!" is instantly relegated to the trash heap of my collection. That, and I could just never get into it easily. Maybe it's because I came to it late and it never worked properly on my computer.

And yes, I am now prepared to be burned to a crisp. :p
Bethesda games are fairly good. At least you can solve situations in different ways a lot of times, character skills and perks modifies dialog options, and have a lot of content. Most computer RPGs just plainly sucks.

[Freespace]

I'm sorry but if I remember correctly, the "Diablo" you think you saw in the cinematic trailer is not Diablo, but some female demon lord ( a noticeable trait: three heads ). I can't remember her name and I'm sure it'll all clear up once we play the game.

[Pandonetho]

Imo it won't beat the success of his predecessors. The game is so old school and without much depth, I believe it will just be over eclipsed by every other popular game that will be released when he'll be out. Indeed, what's new in this game compared to every other RTS? Nothing! In fact, I think the franchise lost more than it gained. Yay a new graphic engine!

You know, I changed 2 letters in your paragraph and you've just successfully described SC2.

[Sarov]

You know, I changed 2 letters in your paragraph and you've just successfully described SC2.

And reading that is just slightly depressing for me.

[sandwich_bird]

You know, I changed 2 letters in your paragraph and you've just successfully described SC2. Nah I really don't agree with this, especially after seing BR4.



I'm sorry but if I remember correctly, the "Diablo" you think you saw in the cinematic trailer is not Diablo, but some female demon lord ( a noticeable trait: three heads ). I can't remember her name and I'm sure it'll all clear up once we play the game.
I'm pretty sure someone from Blizzard confirmed that this is Diablo. I'll have to go check out again.

[Caliban113]

Hard to say for me. Originally, I bought the Diablo chest, and actually didn't play 1 until after completely finishing 2 - I remember getting through 1, and was like, "That's it?" - The whole game was maybe just double the size of a single dungeon in D2 - So I have to say, I am expecting the same jump in scope for D3......could be a tough set-up. :)

D2 is probably my favorite all time RPG - I love the look and design and all, (plus, arguably the best music in all of gaming) but I think it's mostly the pace that sets it apart for me; its very fast, and as a result, so many of the repetitive tasks you normally find in RPGs I guess just feel less tedious.

(On a side note) As popular as Diablo seems to be, I have always heard very mixed impressions of it; even RPG people seem to either hate it, or think it's the standard by which all RPGs should be judged......I feel it will be the same with D3.....For me, as long as the pace and feel of 2 is maintained, (with its new features) I think it'll win.

[EvilGenius]

I loved Diablo 1, but never finished Diablo 2 - made it all the way to the durance of hate, then gave up. It felt like the game was devouring my soul...

my main issue with Diablo 1/2 is that it feels like you're killing the same stuff over, and over again - Hopefully Diablo 3 will somehow rise above changing the color/name/stats of a unit, and calling it "different"

It'd also be great to see enemies work together a little more

[Xyvik]

Bethesda games are fairly good. At least you can solve situations in different ways a lot of times, character skills and perks modifies dialog options, and have a lot of content. Most computer RPGs just plainly sucks.

Oh don't get me wrong, Morrowind is my favorite RPG (well, besides Chrono Trigger). After that they just sold themselves to pure M$ profit and screwed over their RPGs. They look pretty and are awesome games...for the first two weeks. After that you realize there's nothing underneath the surface.

I think I'll give D3 a shot, but when it comes to Hack N Slash games my far and away favorite will always be Dungeon Siege. Yeah the story was crap, but I liked not being pigeon-holed into a "class" and I simply LOVED the multiplayer map...with it's pure free open world. Want to try taking the back way to Grescal even if you're only level 1? Go for it. Want to try tackling the Great Northern Forest even though you're only level 3? Have fun.

While I overplayed it and can't pick it up nowadays, there was something about that feeling of freedom, both to choose your weapon as opposed to choosing a class, and to choose where you want to go, that got to me. Oh, and the music and visuals were pretty slick, as was the lack of loading screens.

Does D3 have any of those features? I haven't really paid attention.

[Islandsnake]

I think d3 will be awesome, theres just somthing special about d2 that even now I could enjoy going back and playing..and it looks to me like ther capturing that perfectly with d3.

And with bnet2.0 I'll be able to play d3 and not have to worry about missing some starcraft friends .