Dominion VS Golden Armada

[DDay]

Is there any indication in super secret data files or anything in lore that tells us how awesome this battle was and/or how the Dominion magically still had fleets left after getting stomped on throughout the entirety of the Starcraft saga? I was a little sad we never got to see this particular fight play out in LotV

[Visions of Khas]

As far as I know there isn't any information known about it aside from the fact that most Dominion worlds fell. I suspect it will play a role in the upcoming Nova story pack, which deals with some anti-alien terran organization. They're probably wondering, "Mengsk is signing a peace treaty with the Protoss, who just invaded and destroyed countless worlds on a whim?", not knowing the Protoss were under Amon's power.

[ragnarok]

Is there any indication in super secret data files or anything in lore that tells us how awesome this battle was and/or how the Dominion magically still had fleets left after getting stomped on throughout the entirety of the Starcraft saga? I was a little sad we never got to see this particular fight play out in LotV

The Dominion still had a fleet because it wasn't completely destroyed in HotS. Remember, during the Korhal invasion, Kerrigan ordered the Leviathan blockade, so at least some of the ships were kept out of battle.

Furthermore, according to the SC wiki, HotS ended around April 2505. LotV took place in 2506. Assuming January, that means at least 8 months have passed since when HotS ended and when Whispers of Oblivion began. That could be enough time to restore some of the fleet

[Robear]

Maybe the Kel Morian Combine got its act together during/after HotS and started made a killing manufacturing and selling to the in-shambles Dominion. Pretty much a never-ending demand, especially after Korhal gets attacked again. How many times can they sell them the same battlecruiser fleet?

[ragnarok]

Maybe the Kel Morian Combine got its act together during/after HotS and started made a killing manufacturing and selling to the in-shambles Dominion. Pretty much a never-ending demand, especially after Korhal gets attacked again. How many times can they sell them the same battlecruiser fleet?

Possibly, but I'm not too sure of that. You'd think after the actions Mengsk did to the KMC during the 4 years between BW and WoL, the KMC would be itching for revenge against the Dominion no matter the cost.

[Turalyon]

There was a time when such a question would be treated with some consideration. If the Dominion could survive BW and can achieve more in 4 years than the Confeds ever did in who had over a hundred years of rule, then they can survive anything. For better or worse, it's consistent at least.


Possibly, but I'm not too sure of that. You'd think after the actions Mengsk did to the KMC during the 4 years between BW and WoL, the KMC would be itching for revenge against the Dominion no matter the cost.

Isn't making heaps money off your old enemy the best kind revenge the KMC would be aiming for anyways? Besides, the KMC are probably friendly with the Dominion now because Valerian is so "good" and all.

[ragnarok]

There was a time when such a question would be treated with some consideration. If the Dominion could survive BW and can achieve more in 4 years than the Confeds ever did in who had over a hundred years of rule, then they can survive anything. For better or worse, it's consistent at least.



Isn't making heaps money off your old enemy the best kind revenge the KMC would be aiming for anyways? Besides, the KMC are probably friendly with the Dominion now because Valerian is so "good" and all.

I'm not too sure about the KMC. The Umojans yes because they raised Valerian and know what kind of a person he is. To all the other terrans, Valerian only made his appearance in 2504. Even Raynor was surprised that Mengsk had a son upon meeting him in WoL. Thus to the other terrans, Valerian just randomly popped out of nowhere. I think there'd be suspicions.

[Turalyon]

I'm not too sure about the KMC. The Umojans yes because they raised Valerian and know what kind of a person he is. To all the other terrans, Valerian only made his appearance in 2504. Even Raynor was surprised that Mengsk had a son upon meeting him in WoL. Thus to the other terrans, Valerian just randomly popped out of nowhere. I think there'd be suspicions.

So? Raynor and Kerrigan were won over by Valerian easily so it's not that hard to believe the KMC will be won over, too. Besides, we're talking modern Starcraft lore, where literally anything can happen now.

[ragnarok]

So? Raynor and Kerrigan were won over by Valerian easily so it's not that hard to believe the KMC will be won over, too. Besides, we're talking modern Starcraft lore, where literally anything can happen now.

They weren't won over like that. Even by the end of HotS, all Kerrigan conceded to is that Valerian can be given a chance, not just skip to the assumption he's just his father's carbon copy

[Turalyon]

They weren't won over like that. Even by the end of HotS, all Kerrigan conceded to is that Valerian can be given a chance, not just skip to the assumption he's just his father's carbon copy

Likewise, the KMC will give Valerian "a chance" for the same reasons as well. If people like Kerrigan and Raynor can - they've suffered the worst at Mengsk Snr's hand - then it's not really much of an ask for the KMC to buddy up to Valerian.

[ragnarok]

Likewise, the KMC will give Valerian "a chance" for the same reasons as well. If people like Kerrigan and Raynor can - they've suffered the worst at Mengsk Snr's hand - then it's not really much of an ask for the KMC to buddy up to Valerian.

Assuming their hatred doesn't control them first. I find it hard to believe.

[Turalyon]

Assuming their hatred doesn't control them first. I find it hard to believe.

What hatred? I find it hard to believe that Kerrigan and Raynor, who each have greater motivation than the the KMC to have unreasonable and uncontrolled hatred towards Valerian, would go along with him and yet they still did. Any "supposed" beef the KMC have with Valerian would be small fry compared to that. The only reason why the the KMC would still hate on the the saint that is Valerian is if the writers force it to be and, like with most things in Sc2 now, I wouldn't be surprised if it went such a way since the whole thing's just chock full of undisguised tropes that call attention to themselves anyways.

[ragnarok]

What hatred? I find it hard to believe that Kerrigan and Raynor, who each have greater motivation than the the KMC to have unreasonable and uncontrolled hatred towards Valerian, would go along with him and yet they still did. Any "supposed" beef the KMC have with Valerian would be small fry compared to that. The only reason why the the KMC would still hate on the the saint that is Valerian is if the writers force it to be and, like with most things in Sc2 now, I wouldn't be surprised if it went such a way since the whole thing's just chock full of undisguised tropes that call attention to themselves anyways.

Yes that's true. Unless, of course, the KMC has paranoia issues.

They could point out that Raynor had once believed Mengsk would be a force of change for good back in the SoK days, and that proves Raynor is NOT immune to deception and manipulation. As such, I believe the KMC would want to see more actions done by Valerian towards them before they're willing to trust the guy

[Nissa]

I don't understand where these KMC assumptions are coming from. Anything we learn about them either comes from the manual or from novels, both of which Blizzard has openly disregarded when it suited them. Quite frankly, the KMC is anything at this point.

[ragnarok]

I don't understand where these KMC assumptions are coming from. Anything we learn about them either comes from the manual or from novels, both of which Blizzard has openly disregarded when it suited them. Quite frankly, the KMC is anything at this point.

Which merely opens the door for more of their Deus Ex Machina BS

[Nissa]

Honestly, I just want a normal sci-fi. No universal invasions or entities from the past.

This'd be a great time for them to do a Starcraft: Ghost game.

[ragnarok]

Honestly, I just want a normal sci-fi. No universal invasions or entities from the past.

This'd be a great time for them to do a Starcraft: Ghost game.

That could be what they're planning with the Nova DLC. The prophecy business in SC2 was because the main writers all came from the WoW department and didn't understand mixing sci-fi and fantasy isn't smart

[DonnyZeDoof]

That could be what they're planning with the Nova DLC. The prophecy business in SC2 was because the main writers all came from the WoW department and didn't understand mixing sci-fi and fantasy isn't smart

I don't see why Blizzard couldn't have just hired experienced sci-fi writers. It's not like they couldn't afford them.

[ragnarok]

I don't see why Blizzard couldn't have just hired experienced sci-fi writers. It's not like they couldn't afford them.

Because they thought that since WoW was so popular (remember the story work for WoL began around 2008ish), they thought the same things put into the SC universe would work out just as well.

[sandwich_bird]

Their writers were not WoW people. The supervisor was Metzen of course and the lead writer was Andy Chamber who worked on some warhammer 40k stuff. Co-lead was Brian Kindregan who worked on Mass Effect 2. Kindregan was an experienced writer. Chamber, well... that's debatable.

[KaiserStratosTygo]

Their writers were not WoW people. The supervisor was Metzen of course and the lead writer was Andy Chamber who worked on some warhammer 40k stuff. Co-lead was Brian Kindregan who worked on Mass Effect 2. Kindregan was an experienced writer. Chamber, well... that's debatable.

Someone higher up directed them to make a shitty fantasy game.

[ragnarok]

Their writers were not WoW people. The supervisor was Metzen of course and the lead writer was Andy Chamber who worked on some warhammer 40k stuff. Co-lead was Brian Kindregan who worked on Mass Effect 2. Kindregan was an experienced writer. Chamber, well... that's debatable.


Interesting, I'll have to look into this

[UrunOfTheAuriga]

Golden Armada has Auriga Tribe and probably Urun on the lead.

It would not be a battle, it would be Terran Genocide.

[UrunOfTheAuriga]

Possibly, but I'm not too sure of that. You'd think after the actions Mengsk did to the KMC during the 4 years between BW and WoL, the KMC would be itching for revenge against the Dominion no matter the cost.

KMC did the exact same thing with the Confederacy with which btw it had even more tense relationships after the Guild Wars, while the Kel Morians were, on their consent, part of the Dominion between the Great War and the Brood War. Also there was never a full scale war between the Dominion and the Kel-Morian Combine.

[Visions of Khas]

Golden Armada has Auriga Tribe and probably Urun on the lead.

It would not be a battle, it would be Terran Genocide.

Raynor admits that Terran worlds are falling left and right.

[ragnarok]

KMC did the exact same thing with the Confederacy with which btw it had even more tense relationships after the Guild Wars, while the Kel Morians were, on their consent, part of the Dominion between the Great War and the Brood War. Also there was never a full scale war between the Dominion and the Kel-Morian Combine.

There never needed to be. The KMC was too weak after the Guild Wars, even after all these years