View Full Version : Cataclysm beta before SC2 Beta..
I am calling it now that the Cataclysm beta will hit before we get our hands on starcraft 2.. WoW has already delayed SC2 and also the diablo patch so.. Not that i hate wow because i actually play but i would sacrafice the constant patching of wow in order that the other fanbases could be kept happy as well.
Kaiser
08-26-2009, 08:09 PM
Well they did say they had most of the Cataclysm stuff done. They said the release for Cataclysm could be around April 2010.
Hamshank
08-26-2009, 08:24 PM
Useless thread. GG
It was meant to be a worthless thread.. Just a qq on how blizzard is letting us starcraft fans be in the breeze and out to dry...
supersonic
08-26-2009, 08:34 PM
Well they did say they had most of the Cataclysm stuff done. They said the release for Cataclysm could be around April 2010.
Source or I won't believe a word, I would much more believe it if you had said November, when they actually plan to release it.
Caliban113
08-26-2009, 08:37 PM
After - but what worries me now, is how long they might potentially hold off the release of SC2 in order to avoid overlapping the 2 major title releases. (?)
supersonic
08-26-2009, 08:50 PM
After - but what worries me now, is how long they might potentially hold off the release of SC2 in order to avoid overlapping the 2 major title releases. (?)
Don't worry I think they are thinking the same thing, and because of that they are going to try their best to get SC2 out in the first half of 2010, because the new WoW expansion will prob come out around Christmas time (Nov, Dec). Just like previous expansions. BC being released close to that time.
I just really hope they don't rush it, I really want them to take their time and make SC2 the best game I've played yet
This is just me but i hope starcraft 2 comes out sooner rather then later.. I would hate to have it come out 15 years after the original.. Us fans have been waiting for a long time.. Warcraft already has how many expansions and seperate games compared to the one and only starcraft. For those of you concerned about quality it already looks to be an awesome game to play.. I would rather be able to start playing it now and have them patch it up later then to have to wait for another 3 years.
SpikeVorador
08-26-2009, 09:06 PM
man im starting to think that Duke Nukem Forever will come BEFORE the beta >.<
Caliban113
08-26-2009, 09:24 PM
I just really hope they don't rush it, I really want them to take their time and make SC2 the best game I've played yet
Fully agreed. However, both WoW and D3 will likely have their own delays and so forth - Unfortunately, these delays will ultimately affect the release of SC2.
Anyway, before getting into all that, I'm saying rather than wait until, "We're perfect going into Beta" - Start Beta now, and let the participants hammer out the bugs and "immbalances".
If we have to play around with release dates this way, then I'd rather see SC2 after an 8 month beta, rather than 4 months of nothing, followed by a 4 month beta...then finally having to wait anyway due to the release strategies and delays of the other titles.
...mah 2 cents :)
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supersonic
08-26-2009, 09:42 PM
Fully agreed. However, both WoW and D3 will have likely have their own delays and so forth - Unfortunately, these delays will ultimately affect the release of SC2.
Anyway, before getting into all that, I'm saying rather than wait until, "We're perfect going into Beta" - Start Beta now, and let the participants hammer out the bugs and immbalances.
If we have to play around with release dates this way, then I'd rather see SC2 after an 8 month beta, rather than 4 months of nothing, followed by a 4 month beta...then finally having to wait anyway due to the release strategies and delays of the other titles.
...mah 2 cents :)
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Oh no I fully agree with that, I was just thinking about single player, because just recently at Blizzcon, they said there was something that they caught in single player that they needed to improve a lot so the delay "was a blessing". I just hope theres nothing like that when release is upon us, because it sounds like something like that could have happened, that or they might just have held it back in spite of the single player stuff, but you never know..
Blazur
08-26-2009, 10:52 PM
man im starting to think that Duke Nukem Forever will come BEFORE the beta >.<
Part of me is convinced that StarCraft 3 will somehow precede the beta for SC2.
protoswarrior
08-26-2009, 10:58 PM
Please help me on this:
Do the WoW teams overlap their work with the SC2 one? I always thought they were separate. TFT was done in 2004/2005, & SC2 has been in dev since then. WoW was a parallel project, I think.
Am I right?
PS: I voted after. SC2 is done, except for the BNET 2.0 compatibility issues and final polish of Zerg (acc to Samwise Didier, Dustin & Rob Pardo). We shud have something by beginning 2010 (Jan-Mar)
pure.Wasted
08-26-2009, 11:24 PM
Please help me on this:
Do the WoW teams overlap their work with the SC2 one? I always thought they were separate. TFT was done in 2004/2005, & SC2 has been in dev since then. WoW was a parallel project, I think.
Am I right?
PS: I voted after. SC2 is done, except for the BNET 2.0 compatibility issues and final polish of Zerg (acc to Samwise Didier, Dustin & Rob Pardo). We shud have something by beginning 2010 (Jan-Mar)
Some parts overlap sometimes. Artists are sometimes asked to work on a different project, the music guys are shared by all three franchises, that sort of thing.
But you're completely right in that SC2 is waiting on no other games.
Aldrius
08-27-2009, 12:00 AM
No way Cataclysm beta before SC2 beta...
If it is, I plead insanity on the part of Blizzard. :p
Hav0x
08-27-2009, 12:40 AM
Some parts overlap sometimes. Artists are sometimes asked to work on a different project, the music guys are shared by all three franchises, that sort of thing.
But you're completely right in that SC2 is waiting on no other games.Yep, and just to elaborate a little further. Sometimes when a game is early in development like SC2 was back around 2004, they will have a big chunk of that team move to the game that is closest to release for a few months to speed up development to get that one out of the door.
As of right now SC2 is the closest game to release so you can expect parts of the other teams to move over to SC2 to help speed up development once they hit beta. Blizzard calls them "Strike Teams"
Nottoway
08-27-2009, 12:51 AM
I really hate WoW.
It might have made Blizzard rich, but I hate the community that was brought forth.
Triceron
08-27-2009, 01:46 AM
Just curious, why the hate on the community?
Just wondering if you don't like it because you were once part of it and disliked it firsthand, or hating it just because.
As much as I dislike some aspects of the WoW community myself, I still respect the people who play it, whether it be casual or hardcore. As for the assholes; well... assholes will be assholes no matter what game they play.
Nottoway
08-27-2009, 03:19 AM
Just curious, why the hate on the community?
Just wondering if you don't like it because you were once part of it and disliked it firsthand, or hating it just because.
As much as I dislike some aspects of the WoW community myself, I still respect the people who play it, whether it be casual or hardcore. As for the assholes; well... assholes will be assholes no matter what game they play.
I've never played WoW.
One of the main reasons I have distaste for it, is because it put a huge dent in the WC3 population upon its release. WC3:TFT was going strong, but once WoW release date approached, soooo many fanboys of MMORPG just hopped over and left WC3. The release of WoW in a way killed WC3's popularity, that is hands down truth.
Secondly, most WoW players from videos I've seen are complete tools. (My opinion, don't like it? Don't care. Sorry)
Ulkesh
08-27-2009, 04:59 AM
If you mean with "beta" that there will be closed test servers for cataclysm (similar to a SC2 Beta) ... I think it's a high possibility that this happens before the SC2 Beta. Hell I think it might even be possible that Cataclysm will be released in 2010 before SC2.
From what I saw in Interviews ab Blizzcon and the overall approach of Blizzard I must say that they no longer see themselves as a regular Game developer. They see themselves as the company who brought you "World of Warcraft", the overwhelming successful MMORPG.
70% of their resources go to WoW, 15% to SC2 and 15% to D3. From a business perspective it's a very smart move, milk the cash cow and use 1/3 for future Stars. As Blizzard CEO I wouldn't do it any other way tbh...
Hav0x
08-27-2009, 05:33 AM
If you mean with "beta" that there will be closed test servers for cataclysm (similar to a SC2 Beta) ... I think it's a high possibility that this happens before the SC2 Beta. Hell I think it might even be possible that Cataclysm will be released in 2010 before SC2.
From what I saw in Interviews ab Blizzcon and the overall approach of Blizzard I must say that they no longer see themselves as a regular Game developer. They see themselves as the company who brought you "World of Warcraft", the overwhelming successful MMORPG.
70% of their resources go to WoW, 15% to SC2 and 15% to D3. From a business perspective it's a very smart move, milk the cash cow and use 1/3 for future Stars. As Blizzard CEO I wouldn't do it any other way tbh...You have no idea how much of their resources go to WoW.
Just counting developers, the people who actually work on the games I would guess that the WoW team would be double the size of the SC2 team with a lot of the artists and programmers and such bouncing back and forth between the two. This is just a guess though so I'm sure it's not accurate.
Crazy_Jonny
08-27-2009, 08:38 AM
StarCraft 2 beta will come 1st. This thread is just a WoW basher.
Dauntless
08-27-2009, 09:42 AM
This is whine. Moved to Off-topic.
Dauntless
08-27-2009, 09:45 AM
I really hate WoW.
It might have made Blizzard rich, but I hate the community that was brought forth.
There are idiots in all communities. Most people, actually, are idots. That's why I stick to my friends and people I know I like. Problem solved.
And like previously posted, WoW and SC2 have separate dev teams, but they are one company. And claiming WoW has set back SC2 is like claiming taxes set back everything the government builds and creates. Without the money from WoW, SC2 wouldn't be so lucky to NOT have a budget. (Make it good, money isn't a limit.)
Zabimaru
08-27-2009, 09:58 AM
There are idiots in all communities. Most people, actually, are idots. That's why I stick to my friends and people I know I like. Problem solved.
This here is a wise man.
Triceron
08-27-2009, 04:11 PM
Well, Nottoway,
I think one of the problems is innately War3 itself. I love the game, and I still play it to this day, but the migration of players isn't solely because of WoW. I agree WoW had/has an impact on its popularity, but consider that DOTA is also a large factor, as well as any custom game within War3 itself. I would say that the decline of War3's popularity is not only affected by eternal sources.
If War3 was THAT good, would people have left it to play DOTA? Why then do DOTA players still play DOTA now instead of War3/WoW? People will play what they enjoy. People will play what their friends play. I don't think WoW is the major culprit. War3 simply didn't have the lasting appeal that some other games had.
spychi
08-27-2009, 04:26 PM
There are idiots in all communities. Most people, actually, are idots. That's why I stick to my friends and people I know I like. Problem solved.
You know I love you Daunt?
Alzarath
08-27-2009, 04:46 PM
Well, Nottoway,
I think one of the problems is innately War3 itself. I love the game, and I still play it to this day, but the migration of players isn't solely because of WoW. I agree WoW had/has an impact on its popularity, but consider that DOTA is also a large factor, as well as any custom game within War3 itself. I would say that the decline of War3's popularity is not only affected by eternal sources.
If War3 was THAT good, would people have left it to play DOTA? Why then do DOTA players still play DOTA now instead of War3/WoW? People will play what they enjoy. People will play what their friends play. I don't think WoW is the major culprit. War3 simply didn't have the lasting appeal that some other games had.
You... do know that DotA and War3 are the same game right?
I also kinda hate WoW. Only cuz it completely screwed up the community. Plus, WoW is basically the only WarCraft out there now. If you mention WarCraft, it's instantly World of WarCraft. They don't even consider you're talking about any of the previous games that made it awesome.
DemolitionSquid
08-27-2009, 04:48 PM
You... do know that DotA and War3 are the same game right?
DotA and WC3 are not the same game. DotA was made using WC3's engine, but they are two completely different games.
SpikeVorador
08-27-2009, 05:17 PM
Part of me is convinced that StarCraft 3 will somehow precede the beta for SC2.
haha yeah, i remember that sometime ago (something like a year or that...)
i read that in japan Square Enix had announce that they have start to work in FF 14 BEFORE even release FF 13 =P, but im not a big fan from the FF saga so i dont know if that was true xD
Triceron
08-27-2009, 06:34 PM
I also kinda hate WoW. Only cuz it completely screwed up the community. Plus, WoW is basically the only WarCraft out there now. If you mention WarCraft, it's instantly World of WarCraft. They don't even consider you're talking about any of the previous games that made it awesome.
That's semantics. Of course any mention of Warcraft would pertain to WoW, it's the most recent and relevant game to the series. Just like anything Diablo pretty much refers to Diablo 3, and anything Starcraft refers to SC2. What do you expect?
Dauntless you would be wrong in the fact that saying starcraft and warcraft have seperate development teams.. The diablo 1.13 patch was delayed due to work on warcraft it was also posted some time back that starcraft is being delayed due to WoW here are some links.. not trying to be an ass just stating what i have read...
http://www.wow.com/2009/06/30/waiting-on-starcraft-ii-blame-wow/
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18031060417&sid=3000
here are two examples where prominent blizzard names and even a blue himself have stated where something was being worked on and then shifted development to something else.
Again not trying to be a nitpicker as i play both games but i think that they could hold off on developing wow in order to get these other franchises out the door.
Triceron
08-27-2009, 06:49 PM
Dauntless you would be wrong in the fact that saying starcraft and warcraft have seperate development teams...
No, he wouldn't be wrong.
Each team works on their own project. During a crunch on any given project, they may pull resources from other teams to help finish a game. This doesn't mean the teams do not exist. It's simply borrowing people from a different team.
This is common in the gaming industry.
Nottoway
08-27-2009, 08:11 PM
DotA and WC3 are not the same game. DotA was made using WC3's engine, but they are two completely different games.
You have to own WC3 to play DOTA, so under that context, you're playing WC3.
DemolitionSquid
08-27-2009, 08:14 PM
You have to own WC3 to play DOTA, so under that context, you're playing WC3.
Some people buy WC3 solely to play DotA. If anything, the most accurate statement is that when you buy WC3, you get DotA for free. Theoretically, DotA could be sold as a stand alone product. By that definition, they are two different games. The only things they have in common are they are built using the same engine, and are both hero centric.
And its the same for any UMS map. Once you start playing a UMS, you are no longer playing Starcraft or WC3.
I miss-read dauntless and your statement. I am arguing the fact that they have pulled resources from the SC2 team to help on WoW and that is why our game is being delayed so much.
Norfindel
08-27-2009, 08:44 PM
Sadly, Blizzard is strongly biased towards fantasy. A pity, because their better RTS game is sci-fi. They should had done a sequel to it a lot of years ago.
Dauntless
08-28-2009, 09:41 AM
You know I love you Daunt?
I do now^_^
I miss-read dauntless and your statement. I am arguing the fact that they have pulled resources from the SC2 team to help on WoW and that is why our game is being delayed so much.
True, but without the financial power, aquired through WoW, Blizzard would have had a deadline with SC2. Now they got more time to make a good game, instead of releasing it prematurely.
spychi
08-28-2009, 09:53 AM
I do now^_^
True, but without the financial power, aquired through WoW, Blizzard would have had a deadline with SC2. Now they got more time to make a good game, instead of releasing it prematurely.
Agreed
As one of my friends said, Blizzard is not a charity company and it needs to earn money like every other company, they have 700 staff in Blizzard France and they need to pay them every month
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