Thoughts on the roach

[Todie]

idk, in real situations the high supply cost and the limited space really work against raw-roach compositions when matched against stalker/marauder and other units with ample range. including marines. i think, the greater the enemy damage potential, the greater role these things play; Stimmed MMM + tanks for example, are utterly devastating to roaches; there's no need to even kite. for teh msost part (and i find it reasonable that its become hard for marines to kite roaches, though marauders can still do it)

... i dont really mind the state of the roach. most of the time, i might have a problem with them if i felt like they encouraged massing too much, but i feel they combine decently well with other stuff, even lings for early pushes. (especially heading out with a roach batch and reinforcing with speedlings)

they are reliable when matched against lower numbers of enemies or when able to flank, to diminish heir disadvantage of shorter range.


Skyze: cool that, but lets keep in mind that Zergs doing such timing attacks are much more committed to dealing real damage than T or P typically are in similar situations, as you seriously need to hold drone production to make the attack happen..

the statment that they need a reparied bunker to hold it, implies that tehy are not anticipating it and not used to the notion of it; dont know how to hold it, but when they learn, they probably will hold it "every time", without big losses compared to the drones that werent made. if there's a problem, i dont see it!

i actually think zergs might end up needing this option in order to balance things out; threaten putting the heat back on opponents that try to exploit the supposed predictability of earlygame Z

[MulletBen]

Where did everyone get the idea that thors do bonus vs. armored ground?

I honestly have never thought this and I don't know why so many people do.

[Todie]

Where did everyone get the idea that thors do bonus vs. armored ground?

I honestly have never thought this and I don't know why so many people do.

who thinks this?

[pure.Wasted]

who thinks this?

I just said it a few posts up, but presumably others have made the same mistake if Ben's seen it before.

Huh. I checked out the wiki page on beta Thors and they never did +armored. Where the hell did I get that idea from? Maybe someone was suggesting it way back when and I misunderstood? I'll never know now...

[masakari]

The lumbering behemoth, 250mm cannons overhead glinting in the mid-afternoon glare, strode out into the field in support of the grunts who were under pressure from the zerg... zerglings were everywhere, and the new zerg monster... the roach... was shrugging off gauss rifle bullets... its thick hide giving it an unnatural toughness. Just then, a group of roaches appeared in the crosshairs of the Thor... grinning evilly, you raise the Thors arm cannons and press the trigger to release a volley of armor piercing shells at the grotesque creatures.... only to realise that you were throwing out streamers and confetti.... you don't do any extra dmg to the roaches anymore than you would to a baby! You wail at the confederates stupidity in outfitting these giant machines with such lousy equipment before the Thor falls to its knees..... DAMN THIS RECESSION!!!!

Back in the Zerg's homeworld.... teacher zerg is teaching all the young larvae - 'When you see this big metallic thing called a Thor come on the field, you just need to morph into roaches.... coz roaches >>> Thors'

[Wankey]

Roaches are incredibly fun. Once you get used to their role and their sheer massability, they are nigh unstoppable.

Also fully upgraded roaches do 22 damage. That's more marauder shot to armored. So upgrade those roaches!

[Wankey]

Where did everyone get the idea that thors do bonus vs. armored ground?

I honestly have never thought this and I don't know why so many people do.

IMO they should do 15 damage to regular, and +15 to armored. That'll definitely make them a little easier to counter with zerglings.

[JackhammerIV]

IMO they should do 15 damage to regular, and +15 to armored. That'll definitely make them a little easier to counter with zerglings.

Uhhhh...roaches are supposed to counter zerglings. And now you wanna change the roach so zerglings can counter them.......

[Todie]

hes talking about the colossus.

[JackhammerIV]

hes talking about the colossus.

Ok then that makes more sense. But same argument there. Colossus is supposed to counter marines, zerglings, hyrdas, zealots and sentries. Melt them all under it's twin laser fire. Immortals are the units to counter armored.