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    I have been reading over the forums recently after seeing the "leaked" BR3 that was almost definately done before BR2.

    A lot of people are talking about the "burrow tactics" seen in the BR, and to be honest, I enjoyed them. They were clever and fun to watch, but if the Protoss at any time decided to get Obs, all of that shit would have stopped instantly. The Neural Parasite on the two Collosus' wouldn't have worked. The Roach burrow micro would have been useless. Everything having to do with Burrow would have not worked.

    This is a problem that I believe can be fixed with the re-insertion of one old unit. I know how much everyone hates re-hashes of old units, especially with Zerg since they have maintained the most SC1 units, but I believe it could make the Zerg a much more diversified race. I think the Scourge should be put back in the game.

    Think about it. With Nighthawks acting as the new Science Vessels, and HSM's tearing a hole through any Zerg army, they are going to need a way to strike back. With Scourges they could also go back to sniping Obs making there burrow tactics a little more viable.

    I don't think the Scourge should be made from Larva though. I think it should be created by Infestors. I didn't think about the Lore, and this spell may be better suited on another unit, but I think the Infestor would do fine. It would add a whole new dimension to the Infestor as well. It would have Anti-Air applications, without having to spawn retarded "Infested Terrans".

    I'm still unsure about how it would work though. I don't know how many it would Spawn, how much Energy it would cost, how much damage the Scourges would do, or how long the Scourges would take to expire (If at all). These are all balancing questions, and I am far from an expert. I do think that Observers should go down in one Shot, and Nighthawks in 2 or 3... But that is just my opinion.

    Let me know what you guys think...

    PS: I know everyone hates bringing old units back into the game, and some of my information is probably out-dated. I don't keep track of this game the way I used too... As soon as you think you have a handle on it, everything changes.
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    Bringing back the Scourge is indeed a horribly outdated idea, or it would be if the Zerg had any real unit that could face off again the Heavy-Air the other races can bring in. The best they have is the Corruptor which for all its 12 +8 vs.armoured is not all that Brilliant when compared with the likes of the Viking or Void Ray. I mean, sure, they're tough for their cost, but they still only have 200 hp, which isn't very impressive when compared to BCs and Carriers, or indeed even the Ultralisk.

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    Key word there is for their cost.

    Per-cost, I'll bet you Corrupters beat Carriers, Motherships and Battlecruisers perfectly well.

    The Corrupter is fine. We don't need the Scourge back.


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    SCOURGE IS ONE OF THE BEST ZERG UNITS! How can you give us the idea that zerg is swarming and ready to sacrafice themselves like the baneling and take away the scourge?! In high end ZvP play that I do, Lurker + scourging observers is one of the key elements to maintaining successful contain! Scourges are essential for high end zerg play!

    Its nice to have a means to disable that nasty air harass to your overlords. These same overlords that can be spread out over the map at any given time. Hydras are not a viable option to keep all your ovies alive. Mutas would be a necessity every single game just to keep your overlords alive.

    Someone commented on if Roach had gta attack which I think would greatly help if we don't get scourge. In response to those who say "well then no one would get Hydras"... but Protoss gets Stalker + Nullfier for GTA so why not zerg with Roaches and Hydras? I'd still get dras if they want to en masse air . .

    Having scourges just seems like a no brainer... with all zerg supply in the air we need more defenses for this and also to knock out observers and other air detectors to make burrow a more viable zerg trait. Anyone who wants to talk down on my opinions plz be ready to back up your skillful retorts with 1v1 styles.
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    I agree with Aldrius

    Plus, the Corrupter also has its corruption abilities to aid it. Sure a battlecruiser mob may be stronger, but when battlecruisers start turning on their fellows, problems will occur.

    Scourges arent needed, they water down air power far too much. I would prefer air power to be evenly matched with some good abilities to help aid the ground, rather than just *BOOM* No aircraft for you!

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    Scourge have 25 HP, it takes insane control to do any good with them... if you cannot micro vs a 25 HP unit then thats your own fault.

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    if the Protoss at any time decided to get Obs, all of that shit would have stopped instantly.
    Unless the Zerg player spent a paltry sum of money on Overseers and Corruptors. Observer sniping will be an even more powerful tactic in this game.

    Oh, and a corrupted Observer gets to shoot air and ground targets. Good stuff all around.

    Its nice to have a means to disable that nasty air harass to your overlords.
    What is so goddamn difficult about getting an air unit and shooting your target? Everybody else does it. The Zerg do not need an insta-pwn air unit; they just need something that can fight other air units.

    Corruptors are free with the Infestor Pit too. Go for your main Tier 2 caster, and bang; you have AtA power.

    but Protoss gets Stalker + Nullfier for GTA
    So? The Protoss are not the Zerg. And Nullifiers, while they can shoot at air units, aren't terribly good at it. They are anti-biological specialists in terms of their damage output (if I recall correctly).
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    Seems to me that corruptors are not cost effective at sniping small air units like observers, their niche is the anti-heavy air like carriers and battlecruisers. I think it's more likely to see hydras sniping observers. Dare I say I'm in favor of scourge returning.

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    Nicol Bolas, whats so difficult with just using scourge? Its not an insta-pwn and if you really feel that way it explains why your comments are so hilarious. Have you ever even played a melee game? Again... scourge only have 25 HP if you are really that bad you cant micro one of the lowest HP units in the game then its obvious my cat could probably pimp you ez.

    I'll stand by statement that only good players use scourges/know how to. The people who are commenting that they should just stick to "getting air units to shoot your target" are the same people who sit back and play BGH and spam carriers. Sometimes in Starcraft you just gotta micro Nicol... you'll catch on when you actually play some games I'm sure. You just simply don't understand the versatility and necessity for zerg to have them at your sub-par level..

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    I just thought that with Nighthawks and Hunter Seeker Missiles, the Zerg dont have a unit that can really counter it. Its like a castable Siege Tank blast that kills the unit it hits and drastically weakens all units around the blast. I dont know how good Corruptors will be against the speed of a Nighthawk. Hit and runs will be pretty bad.

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