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    @Darthyam

    Wow, your post seemed to have come out of nowhere judging by the stuff that has come before it. It seems you've started explaining something from the middle rather than from the start. What plot-hole are we addressing now?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarthYam View Post
    I also felt that the Dark Templar should have been dealt with on Aiur. The overmind knows that they will protect their homeworld. Why did he let them rampage on Aiur when he had Kerrigan to take them out? That's what a sane General would do. You do not send your trump card on a wild goose chase when the one faction that can defeat you is on your fucking doorstep. That's why I felt the Kerrigan weapon made sense. It gives him a reason not to deploy her when she might have been fucking useful.
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say here but are you blaming the Overmind for being fallible? As Gradius mentioned, you're leaning too heavily on hindsight. Had the Overmind won and completely destroyed/assimilated the Protoss, the sequence of events leading up to this (ie: leaving Kerrigan behind) would have been then lauded as a brilliant tactical move instead of the tactical blunder as people seem to suggest that it is now.

    Speaking of fallibility, you've also highlighted something quite interesting in regards to Kerrigan in general. If Kerrigan is supposedly the ultimate and 'bestest' thing of all time (she must be now because WoL pretty much elevates and rubber stamps her extreme importance in defeating the biggest and evillest thing ever! ), then why is she incapable of doing something arguably more simpler (compared to prophetically being the only person capable of defeating a universal and seemingly omnipotent enemy that is) than exterminating a few Dark Templar and what does this really say about her actual importance and ability in defeating the DV?

    A disconnect between yourself and the reality of that in-universe is what you get, which is exacerbated when you have characters with actual hyper-inflated importance when there was none before. The Overmind in SC1 was represented (note that I don't say is) as such up until it was proven otherwise by it being killed because its plans didn't ultimately work out. This was one of the beauties of the Overmind's character - despite all it's bluster, power and aura, it was still fallible. WoL, however, seems to have re-instated this hyper-inflated importance and the sense of "everything I touch is gold" for the Overmind by "nudge-nudge-wink-winking" that actually "everything that has transpired has been according to my design".
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    not to necro but the flaws the overmind made went beyond fallible and into "idiot territory". Theres a chance he got the news and if the Queen of Blades is to be believed Kerrigan was forced to run when a whole war fleet showed up.

    Again; he repeatedly states that she is "his greatest creation"; yet when the Dark Templar are in a position to blow everything to hell he doesn't deploy her. I'll admit that maybe he didn't know until later, or that he assumed the khalai would kill them. But again, when the gambit he tried in WOL was flat out stated to be an act of desperation, I don't see that as "infallible".
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthYam View Post
    not to necro but the flaws the overmind made went beyond fallible and into "idiot territory".
    Oh well, there's nothing to do but necro until HoTS comes out...

    You should read my above response carefully. The only reason one can label the Overmind's action as complete idiocy is because of hindsight. If the end result of the Overmind's plan went in favour to the Overmind (both utterly and completely defeating the Protoss on Aiur and relying on Kerrigan from keeping the DTs away from the fight on Aiur), then it's plan would have been risky but more than well worth the effort and justified (and NOT idiot territory as you suggested). Just because "shit happens sometimes", the end result does not necessarily make the Overmind's choices (not that he can make them considering he has no free will.... and here we go again. Wheeeeee! ) completely devoid of any value (ie: inane/stupid).

    Then again, if anything the fall of the Overmind goes to show that self-styled omnipotent beings are anything but. There's a nice parallel with the Overmind and the Protoss Conclave in the sense that both are blinded by hubris and fall because of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarthYam View Post
    Again; he repeatedly states that she is "his greatest creation"; yet when the Dark Templar are in a position to blow everything to hell he doesn't deploy her.
    Not sure what you're responding to specifically here, but that "greatest creation" thing he says about Kerrigan (keeping in mind that "greatest" does not mean "perfect in every single way forever" otherwise why bother assimilating Protoss? Oh that's right, it doesn't want to as WoL shows/retcons) is part of the hubris I mentioned above that the Overmind has. If she was as great and omnipotent as the Overmind believed, then it wouldn't be dead right now, would it?


    Quote Originally Posted by DarthYam View Post
    But again, when the gambit he tried in WOL was flat out stated to be an act of desperation, I don't see that as "infallible".
    The Overmind choice making is "infallible" in the sense that it creates a chance for something that has no right in succeeding mostly because it has no control over it, yet it is seemingly happening anyway. At any point throughout the story, that hope could have come crashing down very easily and yet it doesn't. Here, the Overmind is coming from a position of fallibility in that it's not sure whether anything good will come of it's desperate plan to free the Zerg which then morphs into an improbable scenario where things seem to bend in favour towards what the Overmind always wanted. Because of this, the initial fallibility of the Overmind is called into question due to the prophetic nature of its actions. Everything the Overmind has done was in actuality a flawless means to elevate the one true saviour of the Zerg. And even when it's no longer around, Kerrigan is still fulfilling that role out of sheer luck. Always bet on Overmind!!

    Leaving aside WoL's revelation of the all-knowing Overmind for the moment, contrast this with the decisions it makes about assaulting Aiur and leaving Kerrigan on Char. It believes that this will work and based on the evidence so far presented to it at the time, it was a good play. As we now know, it was a failed gambit (on the otherhand, the Overmind retcons hints the opposite - it's death was necessary to free Kerrigan) because some events were clearly out of it's control. Here, the Overmind is coming from a position of (faux) infallibility which resolves into a more believable scenario. The Overmind is and always was potentially fallible.
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    I hope no one finds furthering this thread necro by another week unsavory... this is a good topic and kind'a hope it'd continue with more theories.


    Okay so I'll go over real fast what I received from SC1 and BW.

    1 - The Overmind is basically giant blob computer. It just happens to have an individual conscious as well but it's mainly a heap of organic bleeps and bloops serving an instinct. Due to its vast intellect? It's capable of supreme calcuation, design and all forms of learning.

    2 - The Overmind, through said intellect, realizes that it's instinctive nature is hampered by this reprogrammed Directive. It figures out the Cycle, and realizes furthermore that the species is in jeapordy because of said Cycle.

    3 - The Overmind cannot ignore the Directive, it is bound to it despite the instinct to ensure the Zerg as a species. It learns to undermine the directive by searching for another gene or species to assimilate that will ensure the Zerg and resist the Directive.

    4 - The Overmind discovered Koprulu, and within it, the Psionically capable Terrans; raw for evolution. It possibly even senses Kerrigan since she's so, you know, powerful even as a Terran.

    5 - The Overmind conspires to use the Terrans as a weapon to counter the entirety of the Protoss, Khalai AND Nazerim. The ploy will seem in line of the Directive, yet within will be the key to serve the instinct and save the Zerg.

    6 - The Overmind finally finds Kerrigan, a psionically powerful Terran. Rather than assimilating her into the Swarm, it instead places her into a Khrysalis and has Zerg evolve her. It nurtures her, keeping her will and individuality intact. It also lets her have her own free resolve in order for her to grow. It goes against the Cerebrates (they actually get pissy about this in one breifing room scene if I remember) but the Overmind defends her - Because the cerebrates are ALSO CORRUPTED by the Directive.

    7 - Kerrigan eventually proves herself to a point on Char. The Overmind realizes that Kerrigan will reach her potential so long as she doesn't squander herself. She'll never "stray" from the Swarm, as she is instinctively bound to the species. He leaves her to her own, and heads to Auir to continue the Directive.

    Now, beyond that I don't see the Overmind having to "see it's death" as a requirement. It lands on Auir and binds itself into the crust in order to reach the Khaydarin crystal masses that make up the world; which was absolutely central for all of the Xel'naga creations (and probably required to bind the Zerg and Protoss together).

    If it's Auir plan wins, Kerrigan is still free of corrupted instinct of the Cerebrates and even the Overmind. She'd eventually kill the Cerebrate and the original Overmind anyway because they would not ensure species survival thanks to the Directive they are imbued with.

    If it's Auir plan fails? The following in BW happens, with her STILL offing Cerebrates anway, killing the second Overmind (because it being spawned from the Cerebrates means it's corrupted as well) and securing her total control over the Swarm to esnure the Zerg survival as a species.

    Live or Die on Auir at the end of SC1? The same thing happens. Does any one agree? The Overmind can be omnipotent all it wants but, it's all just instinct.
    There's no need to foresee it's death, no need to have Kerrigan obliterate the Protoss (because they are meant to assimilated into one species for the Cycle, not destroyed).
    I do see it a gamble, I do see it a desperation attempt, and I do see it the one act that makes the Overmind go from Omnipotent, to just a regular, very intelligent animal that's quite respectable.

    Kerrigan was eventually bred into being the Overmind's replacement, or at the very least, a new type of Cerebrate. Even though in BW we don't know that the Overmind has this directive it's attempting to undermine against it's will I still got the idea that Kerrigan was an ascension for the Zerg, not just a means to beat Protoss armies.

    Prior to Kerrigan, there were two major weaknesses the Zerg had that the Overmind sought to correct.
    1 - the Zerg lacked a core genus with psionic potential (for whatever reason, it couldn't use it's own genes *shrugs*)
    2 - the Zerg lacked a leader with a true individual but instinctual bound will.


    The only real plot hole I still see with the Kerrigan thing was how the Zerg didn't just wipe her out with the rest of Tarsonis concerning they were all under the influence of Psi Emitters blinding their communications and sending them on killing rampage. Or have I just missed something there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    I hope no one finds furthering this thread necro by another week unsavory... this is a good topic and kind'a hope it'd continue with more theories.
    We'll know if it's unsavory if the thread gets locked

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    Okay so I'll go over real fast what I received from SC1 and BW...

    ...The Overmind, through said intellect, realizes that it's instinctive nature is hampered by this reprogrammed Directive. It figures out the Cycle, and realizes furthermore that the species is in jeapordy because of said Cycle.
    How did you know that the Overmind was under the influence from the Directive (or even acknowledge it's actual existence) by looking just at Sc1 and BW? The concept itself was not revealed until WoL came out.

    I know that the point of a retcon is to be self-justifying (ie: it was always supposed to be there but you just didn't know it yet), but there's a kind of "cart-before-the-donkey" type logic you have going here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    The Overmind cannot ignore the Directive, it is bound to it despite the instinct to ensure the Zerg as a species. It learns to undermine the directive by searching for another gene or species to assimilate that will ensure the Zerg and resist the Directive.
    This is a plothole in itself. If the Overmind can resist the Directive on its own at some level by looking for something that can resist it further, why is the Directive even a viable threat? The Overmind can just as easily justify going on a wild-goose chase or go around in circles finding an elusive MacGuffin as a means to placate the Directive.

    The defining qualities of the Directive are wishy-washy at best. What it can and can't do is all based on a whim and supposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    If it's Auir plan wins, Kerrigan is still free of corrupted instinct of the Cerebrates and even the Overmind. She'd eventually kill the Cerebrate and the original Overmind anyway because they would not ensure species survival thanks to the Directive they are imbued with.

    If it's Auir plan fails? The following in BW happens, with her STILL offing Cerebrates anway, killing the second Overmind (because it being spawned from the Cerebrates means it's corrupted as well) and securing her total control over the Swarm to esnure the Zerg survival as a species.
    This would be true if it were not for WoL intimating that Kerrigan's current form is not the ideal savior for Zerg-kind or anyone for that matter. She is nihilistic, generally unhelpful to Zeratul and suffers from a split personality. The QoB persona is deemed as the evil, corrupting force that was forced on her by the Overmind's attempts to integrate her into the Swarm. One could surmise that the QoB is actually part of the Directive that the Overmind unknowingly inflicted onto her. If so, claims that Kerrigan was still "free" in Sc1 are a lie! Given that WoL reveals that the Overmind was largely lying to itself and its cerebrates, the tidbit about Kerrigan being free could also be a lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    Kerrigan was eventually bred into being the Overmind's replacement, or at the very least, a new type of Cerebrate. Even though in BW we don't know that the Overmind has this directive it's attempting to undermine against it's will I still got the idea that Kerrigan was an ascension for the Zerg, not just a means to beat Protoss armies.
    This is quite debatable especially if you are looking purely at Sc1. From an outsider's perspective, there is actually nothing special about Kerrigan beyond what the Overmind effuses.


    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    The only real plot hole I still see with the Kerrigan thing was how the Zerg didn't just wipe her out with the rest of Tarsonis concerning they were all under the influence of Psi Emitters blinding their communications and sending them on killing rampage. Or have I just missed something there?
    The Psi-Emitters do not actually drive the Zerg into a murderous rampage. It only looks that way to the casual observer.

    You must remember that the Overmind was looking for assimilable psionic potential in Terrans. The Psi-Emitters are actually attracting the Overmind's attention in the hope that it will find what it wants. Lo and behold, Kerrigan was essentially gift-wrapped for the Overmind (unintentionally, of course).
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    How did you know that the Overmind was under the influence from the Directive (or even acknowledge it's actual existence) by looking just at Sc1 and BW? The concept itself was not revealed until WoL came out.

    I know that the point of a retcon is to be self-justifying (ie: it was always supposed to be there but you just didn't know it yet), but there's a kind of "cart-before-the-donkey" type logic you have going here.
    Admittedly I was going off of both sources here, SC1 and SC2. If we're just looking at SC1, then yeah none of it makes sense. If I recall, the only real drive the Overmind has towards the Protoss was they, if assimiliated into the swarm, would practically help the species achieve the "Perfection" level it's been wanting. From the SC1 standpoint, the Zerg are just a raging animal that would, be classed as a super organism that happens to hunt entire civilizations. They only learned of the Protoss because of their encounter with the Xel'naga on Zerus.
    There is a hint to some greater force however thanks to that bonus mission in BW. Duran does refer to pre-ordained prophecies and even to the Cycle.

    "Of course I do. This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history!"

    other hints that something else was in play if the Zerg and Protoss were to be melded together just in that conversation:

    "I am a servant of a far greater power. A power that has slept for countless ages. And is reflected in the creature within that cell."

    Now yes, Just on SC1 lore and info, from that mission alone and from that conversation alone, I had derived as a player that the Zerg + Protoss combonation was some how pre-determined and that as a the Zerg player in SC1 you were just unaware of it. I had also figured that Duran was Xel'naga, and that he was attempting to recreate his kind. But no, I still had no idea the Overmind was under a directive and in that view, he did misuse Kerrigan. It seemed a total folly that Kerrigan was left to run amok on her own when she's the very thing that could've stopped Tassadar from destroying the Overmind on Auir and letting the Zerg complete their thirst for Perfection. But I'll go on to say that as a player at the time, BW felt like a retcon on it's own. Initially the Zerg are just hunters looking for genetic perfection in order to procreate and survive as any animal would; but BW changes that drastically with Duran who, through out the entire Xpac, is toying and leading the player and your characters in the directions he wants to achieve the greater end which happens to be the culminating secret about how the Zerg and Protoss actually = this powerful Hybrid/Xel'naga thing.


    This is a plothole in itself. If the Overmind can resist the Directive on its own at some level by looking for something that can resist it further, why is the Directive even a viable threat? The Overmind can just as easily justify going on a wild-goose chase or go around in circles finding an elusive MacGuffin as a means to placate the Directive.

    The defining qualities of the Directive are wishy-washy at best. What it can and can't do is all based on a whim and supposition.
    Oh trust me, I agree. It doesn't make much sense why the Dark Voice just didn't know the Overmind was basically committing a suicide mission on Auir. It seemed hard to believe that it didn't get involved when obviously, the planned fate for the Zerg was falling apart. But then again, maybe it did.

    Enter Duran.

    After Auir in SC1, comes Duran; the direct intervention from the Dark Voice to make up for the Overmind's failure to the Directive.

    On the how the Overmind some how just decided to go against this directive? The directive seemed like an Influence to me more than some programmed over ride. I refered to the Overmind last post as basically a giant organic computer but instead of refering the DV Directive as a Virus to alter the Overmind's program? The Directive is actually the DV interfacing with the Overmind and attempting to control it's actions by usurping it's will. Think Frodo and the Dark Lord's influence every moment he is around the Ring. The Overmind simply musters the will to resist the DV as much as it can. The lying it apperently commits would then be more directed toward it's own Cerebrates because should they know that the Overmind is going against the directive (which to them, would seem to be the instinct, unaware of the Directive) they could some how rebel against it. This seems improbable, and again is still a loop hole? Because the Cerebrates are genetically incapable of defying the Overmind much less rebelling against it. However, the DV influence could've been the deciding factor that offered that override and we just never see that come into play because the Overmind prevented it all together.


    This is quite debatable especially if you are looking purely at Sc1. From an outsider's perspective, there is actually nothing special about Kerrigan beyond what the Overmind effuses.
    Kerrigan was evolved rather than assimilated the traditional way. She was also left with individual will and has Cerebrate level authority in terms of her control over Broods. This was all evident in SC1, and was enough for me as a player to personally feel her potential within the swarm was an Evolutionary Ascension and possible replacement for the Cerebrates. I also at the time honestly thought that her induction into the Swarm was necessary to assimilate the Protoss as Duran quoted how her introduction into the Zerg sped up his projects. Her presence along with Khaydarin fragments some how makes the hybrids work out (Pylons are made of Khaydarin and the BW Bonus mission has test cells powered by Pylons in some cases).


    The Psi-Emitters do not actually drive the Zerg into a murderous rampage. It only looks that way to the casual observer.

    You must remember that the Overmind was looking for assimilable psionic potential in Terrans. The Psi-Emitters are actually attracting the Overmind's attention in the hope that it will find what it wants. Lo and behold, Kerrigan was essentially gift-wrapped for the Overmind (unintentionally, of course).

    See, I dont know. I guess just, Sci-Fi wise? It doesn't seem right.
    Do Emitters just draw attention?
    If that's the case, then basically the Overmind was like "EFFF, Map Ping. -scrolls to area- HOLY SHEET! The High Level Psionic Terran is there. Well I guess I'll swarm that Ping and pick her hot ass up while I'm at it."

    Is that seriously how it works?
    Was Mengsks seriously gambling when he placed them on Tarsonis? As a Player I was under the impression that the Emitters literally forced to the Zerg to that location and that's why Arcturus gets this mad idea to start "USING" the Zerg as a weapon. Well is he using? Or just manipulating and hope the Zerg play their part?
    I mean what if the Overmind was like "Why did he seriously ping me? That planet has nothing on it but old people with erectile dysfunction. /ignore Megnsk's pings". What would Mengsks do then? The Protoss even gave the impression that the Emitters controlled the Zerg. Other wise, they would'nt have so easily flocked to new Gettysburg to counter the incoming Brood.

    What if the Zerg cannot resist the Emitters and thus are drawn to it like bugs to bug lights?

    If it's the latter, than it's basically no different than over riding their initial directive and controlling them. A Disrupter literally jams and confuses the Psionic link; hence their rampaging against each other. It makes them uncontrollable. Makes sense. But seriously if Emitter basically controlls/guides/forcefully attracts? It's that easy to just, guide the Zerg where you want despite the Overmind's will.
    So, why are the Zerg even a threat to the Terrans? Just make a trail of deep space probes with Psi Emitters on them and watch the Zerg leave the sector like a Dog fetching a Bone it'll never catch. Kind'a retarded. I hope you understand my confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turalyon View Post
    The Psi-Emitters do not actually drive the Zerg into a murderous rampage. It only looks that way to the casual observer.
    hmm

    Quote Originally Posted by http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Psi-emitter
    Those running the Confederate Ghost Program found that the zerg are attuned to the psychic emanations of ghosts. The emitters broadcast the neural imprint of a ghost, but at a much greater magnitude. Requiring a ghost or other psychic to be activated, they can reach across worlds, having a maximum range of around 10-25 light years. Numerous psi emitters in the same area appear to amplify the overall effect.

    ...

    The zerg, lured by the psi emitter's signal, descended upon the unsuspecting Confederate forces and annihilated them.

    ...

    ...the combined power of the psi emitters lured billions of zerg to Tarsonis. They overran the Confederacy's defenses and laid waste to Tarsonis' major cities and industrial centers.
    ...hmm

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    On the how the Overmind some how just decided to go against this directive? The directive seemed like an Influence to me more than some programmed over ride.
    hmm

    Quote Originally Posted by http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Voice
    But the Overmind was not given free will. It was given an overriding directive to obliterate the protoss. The Dark Voice had a hand in this.
    ...hmm

    You guys should Google this stuff before you post. It saves confusion.

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    wikis are subjective and heart of the swarm still hasn't come out. Given that the overmind did ultimately create kerrigan the directive wasn't all powerful.

    2.) The psi emitters simply caused them to come to the planet. They would have rampaged and pillaged regardless. The overmind needed a powerful psychic even before the dark voice entered the scene

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    Duran does refer to pre-ordained prophecies and even to the Cycle.
    Yes, he does but how reliable is he? He's whole role so far has been steeped in subterfuge. We have nothing to go by except taking him at his word. For all we know, he could just be a stark, raving lunatic. The religious rhetoric about cycles and prophecy he spouts can be interpreted in many ways, not the least of which is the face value one.

    Case in point. If we were to play Sc1 without reading the manual, one could easily take Mengsk's vehement accusation that the Zerg are a Dominion super-weapon at face value. If not for dramatic irony, one could easily believe this to be true because Mengsk, at the time, doesn't seem to have a reason to intentionally or knowingly lie (though WoL seems to suggest he is now considering the prospect of those secret Hybrid labs). The difference here, is that in Mengsk's case, the audience knows whereas we don't in Duran's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    Now yes, Just on SC1 lore and info, from that mission alone and from that conversation alone, I had derived as a player that the Zerg + Protoss combonation was some how pre-determined and that as a the Zerg player in SC1 you were just unaware of it.
    Pre-determined, fated or whatever, this is the same party-line and religious fervor that the Overmind espouses. As we know, this just turned out to be part of the giant hubris that entailed it's downfall. In that sense, Duran is just doing what the Overmind was originally (pre-retcon) going to do so it's somewhat repetitious, no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    It seemed a total folly that Kerrigan was left to run amok on her own when she's the very thing that could've stopped Tassadar from destroying the Overmind on Auir and letting the Zerg complete their thirst for Perfection.
    I've spoken about this elsewhere, but the problem with assuming that Kerrigan is the ultimate bee's knees is that in actuality, it is a misconception.

    Kerrigan's status as the best is actually just artificial elevation due in part to the Overmind being presented as omnipotent. Based off of Sc1 only, we know now that it is not and that its failure was due largely to hubris. Hubris in it's ability to subdue Aiur on its own and hubris in its faith that Kerrigan would get the job done in destroying the DTs (if she couldn't even do that, what good would she be on Aiur? Think on that for a second). The Overmind has always been fallible under that veneer of infallibility. In that light, Kerrigan really isn't that special...


    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    On the how the Overmind some how just decided to go against this directive? The directive seemed like an Influence to me more than some programmed over ride. I refered to the Overmind last post as basically a giant organic computer but instead of refering the DV Directive as a Virus to alter the Overmind's program? The Directive is actually the DV interfacing with the Overmind and attempting to control it's actions by usurping it's will.
    This would be fine, it that indeed was what the Directive was described as. It is not. The Directive is all-consuming and all-encompassing, with the real Overmind being locked in a prison of its mind and having no free will. It seems very clear that the real Overmind has no control and yet it it is still able to have a bit of control. It can't be both ways but yet it is - hence the wishy-washiness.

    This is not the only thing we have to contend with. Somehow this ounce of initiative from the Overmind (creating Kerrigan for freeing the Zerg) begins to bear fruit anyway (she remains alive and is truly free now from corruption it seems as of WoL) even when it is no longer around to possibly influence (even if it could? who knows) events. The extremely fortuitous (and highly unlikely) nature of such things happening is what makes people cry BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    This seems improbable, and again is still a loop hole? Because the Cerebrates are genetically incapable of defying the Overmind much less rebelling against it. However, the DV influence could've been the deciding factor that offered that override and we just never see that come into play because the Overmind prevented it all together.[/B]
    I hope you can appreciate how hackneyed the concept is. When poke at, it falls apart. There are so many hidden rules and concepts about this Directive that are not readily apparent nor obvious that the retcon actually raises more questions than it answers (good retcons are supposed to do the opposite). What's more all these hidden rules are just suppositions that have no evidence to back it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    She was also left with individual will and has Cerebrate level authority in terms of her control over Broods.
    We actually don't see Kerrigan controlling any Broods in Sc1 (only in BW) because you, the cerebrate actually control and look after her. To me, she was nothing more than a favoured tool/prototype that the Overmind was somewhat protetective of given how it only came across her out of sheer luck. Kind of like a "teacher's pet". Not every teacher thinks their "pet" will someday take over their place, you know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    Do Emitters just draw attention?

    Is that seriously how it works?
    Yes. The Emitters in Sc1 (not BW mind you) are a sublime use of a plot device. The drama happens not because of it but around the implications of it.

    Without the Overmind, the Emitters should actually do nothing (BW retcons this). Because the will that makes them attracted to the Emitter's in the first place was the Overmind's. As you know, the Overmind was looking for psionic potential to integrate into it's army to possibly sway it's battle against the Protoss into its favour.

    The mayhem that the Psi-Emitters cause is because the Overmind is sending it's agents to capture the psionic potential using any lengths it can. Being Terran is of no consequence to the Overmind - it does not care as long as it gets what wants. The defending Terrans can only see this as a military invasion and respond with violence. The Zerg, faced with such opposition, respond in kind. Carnage ensues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    Was Mengsks seriously gambling when he placed them on Tarsonis? Well is he using? Or just manipulating and hope the Zerg play their part?
    No for the first question since the Zerg were predictable (rightly so, since the Overmind was intent on finding psionic potential before engaging the Protoss proper). And yes for the last two questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    What would Mengsks do then? The Protoss even gave the impression that the Emitters controlled the Zerg. Other wise, they would'nt have so easily flocked to new Gettysburg to counter the incoming Brood.
    Mengsk doesn't know the how or the why of it. He just knows that it will work because it has happened before consistently. That's enough for him. If it didn't work, well he'd just have to go back to the drawing board then. Mengsk was quite savvy in seeing beyond what the Zerg invasion represented but used it anyway for his own ends.

    As for the Protoss, Tassadar was doing what he was commanded to: to purge the Terran worlds of infestation no matter where it was found. By the time it came to Tarsonis, Tassadar had a great deal of reservation about such tactics. Such was his compassion that he had hoped to defeat the Zerg without purging one of their main homeworlds.


    Quote Originally Posted by Einharjar View Post
    A Disrupter literally jams and confuses the Psionic link; hence their rampaging against each other.

    So, why are the Zerg even a threat to the Terrans? Just make a trail of deep space probes with Psi Emitters on them and watch the Zerg leave the sector like a Dog fetching a Bone it'll never catch. Kind'a retarded. I hope you understand my confusion
    I believe the Psi Disruptor (which is a poor use of plot device - one of two main ones in BW) has been covered in earlier posts in this thread. It too represents a plot-hole as you have just rightly observed in your second paragraph.

    I understand the frustration. SC is becoming swallowed up by all of its sci-fi conventions/norms/trappings/lore that it's becoming harder to even care about them, let alone what they do to the characters themselves.
    Yes, that's right! That is indeed ME on the right.


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